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I am in the begining stages of preparing my home to sale in the next 3 - 4 years after my daughter leaves for college. Once she is gone, it will only be me and the1st mate to enjoy the rest of our lives on the water and watching the sunset every day at the beach. I getting ready to invest $15,000.00 into 2 bathrooms in my home with new tubs, showers, tile, fixtures and all the "purty" things that the boss wants.
My question is, in todays housing market, do you feel as though I will get a return on my money in 3- 4 years if I make this investment "today"?
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All bathroom reno jobs are not made equal. Who’s doing the work? What skill level do they bring to the table? Who’s designing the rooms? Who’s picking the materials and why are those products being sot after? Will those products date them self? Will you be paying full price for the materials or will you be buying most of the materials at .25 to .50 cents to the dollar? In a nut shell what I’m getting at here is, one person can spend 7,5k per room and end up with a 4k job. Whereas another person can spend 7.5k per room and have each room look like you spent 30 - 40k.
Will you get your money out of the house when you sell it, it all depends on the materials used, the design (will your design ideas still look current in 4 yrs time?), layout, colours used, how well those products stand up to everyday use and how well you guys keep the room.
IMHO "if" you intend to hire out 100 % of the work I don’t think you’ll get much of a job for 7.5k per room.....my bathroom job in my last home cost me 6k just for materials and I purchased most everything between .20 & .45 cents to the dollar with the exception of some items as high as .75 cents to the dollar. And that bathroom was only 5' x 9'!
All bathroom reno jobs are not made equal. Who’s doing the work? What skill level do they bring to the table? Who’s designing the rooms? Who’s picking the materials and why are those products being sot after? Will those products date them self? Will you be paying full price for the materials or will you be buying most of the materials at .25 to .50 cents to the dollar? In a nut shell what I’m getting at here is, one person can spend 7,5k per room and end up with a 4k job. Whereas another person can spend 7.5k per room and have each room look like you spent 30 - 40k.
Will you get your money out of the house when you sell it, it all depends on the materials used, the design (will your design ideas still look current in 4 yrs time?), layout, colours used, how well those products stand up to everyday use and how well you guys keep the room.
IMHO "if" you intend to hire out 100 % of the work I don’t think you’ll get much of a job for 7.5k per room.....my bathroom job in my last home cost me 6k just for materials and I purchased most everything between .20 & .45 cents to the dollar with the exception of some items as high as .75 cents to the dollar. And that bathroom was only 5' x 9'!
I do this for a living and $ 7.5 per room with labor is more like half the finished job per bathroom. Trends come and go so be carefull on what you choose for the rooms. Here in N.J. with my customers the starting price for a renavation of a bathroom is about $15,000.
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I do this for a living and $ 7.5 per room with labor is more like half the finished job per bathroom. Trends come and go so be carefull on what you choose for the rooms. Here in N.J. with my customers the starting price for a renavation of a bathroom is about $15,000.
As stated there are alot of variables involved here but one thing is almost certain, you will not get a 100% return on the investment. However, another thing is almost certain, in the eyes of a woman purty bathrooms and kitchens sell the house. A man will see all the crap that is wrong with the rest of the house, a woman will focus on kitchens and bathrooms and we know who is going to win that battle
We remodeled both of our bathrooms and I did about 75% of the work. One key to keeping the cost down is not moving any of the fixtures if possible. The John Bridge forum above is the THT of tile work and the folks there are very helpful. I subbed out the demo of a shower pan and the pouring of a new one as we enlarged our shower. I also hired a plumber to attach all the fixtures when the time came.
Nice work Halfmoon!
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Great responses everyone, in summary I will be doing all of the labor with the exception of hiring a plumber to connect the drains and installing the tubs. All tile work and Granit countertops will be installed / cut / polished by me as well. As for as cost of materials, well, that is "the bosses" department and I have no idea if it was a "discuount sale" or not as her best fiend is an Interior Decorator" and they shop together alot. I live in Central Alabama in what was at one time the fastest growing county in the U.S. Now that the economy has tanked, I am sure it's like the rest of the world and very slow at rebounding but I do see housing construction picking back up again in certain areas.
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First off, today, in NJ -- you can get a Bathroom remodel (nothing fancy) for about $5-7K -- it won't be a jetted tub or anything fancy -- with will half-walls, new fixtures and cheap floor tile. But it will be done right. The trades are in a bad position, especially remodel. I'm guessing the $15K is for very high-end fixtures and finishes. Just wanted to clear that up.
Second, to answer your question. YES! but with a "BUT". If you do it now, planning on selling later your biggest enemy is time. If you don't use timeless fixtures and finishes you'll be dated before you know it. Learn/study/read about tiles, textures, and fixtures that have stood the test of time. (Subway tile v. gaudy rectangular deco) etc.
And, yes! Do it DIY if you can, else screen the people that do the work hard!
P.S. The johnbridge site listed is gold -- they have the very best advice. You'd be surprised how many "PROs" use mastic on shower walls... and of all the forum, JohnBridge is the only one (I've found) that calls them out on it!!
Another thought is that you should not be concerned only with resale. This would be the case if you were looking to sell in the next year. Since you will stay in the house another 3 years, you have to take into account the utility of having updated rooms until you sell. The return depends a lot on the neighborhood. Our house was built in 1963. Updated homes do sell at a premium as there are many original owners in their 70's and 80's who still have the pink tile and avocado appliances. If the existing rooms are a bit "funky" as our kitchen was, I feel the return can be over 100%, as it transformed a negative into a positive.
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I did a renovation on our pool bath earlier this year (partial reno on the guest bathroom as well). It was the first time I've done any tile work and it was quite educational. The John Bridge forum was a great resource. I have a photo album of the entire adventure here: http://www.onewolf.org/Album/HomePro...eno/index.html (See "Home Projects", "Guest Bath Reno" for the guest bathroom project)
Total cost for the pool bathroom was around $4000. The only things I didn't do myself were the fabrication/installation of the granite counter tops and the installation of the glass shower door.
Leaving the fixtures hardly qualifies as a remodel.
"$1500 at home depot" won't get you far in a bathroom remodel. Thats not even a start.
Actually you can do a very nice job of for $1500 at HD. Tile, cement board, good thin-set and entry-level fixtures. It won't be "granite and class 5" but it'll be nice, new, and clean.
Recently remodeled a bath with all new plumbing, fixtures, walls, ceiling and floor covering in a medium size bath. Cost $7K. Nothing fancy. As others mentioned you have a deal of variables to choose from so no two will likely be the same. I think that remodling a bath seems to be the most expensive room in the house.
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I did this one for less than 5K in materials. Largest single expense was the glass door and its hardware. Did take me a while to do since I'm not exactly a Tile Master. Agreed - the JB tile forum is absolutely fantastic.
....snip.... I think that remodling a bath seems to be the most expensive room in the house.
Hah! Remodel a kitchen and be prepared with lots of KY jelly. Our master bathroom remodel looks like it will be around $12K. Remodeling our kitchen will be around $30K. Unless we opt for the 'full monty' version which will be closer to $45K.
i'm going to DIY my upstairs bathroom this fall...enlarging and tiling-in a shower, replacing WC, tub, vanity, sinks, lighting, removing walls, new floors & ceilings
i am a contractor so my subs will work for cheap, but i am guessing it will come in around 12-15K. this is a 12x9 bathroom, stripped completely to the studs and subfloor, with all new plumbing, electrical & fixtures
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