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I do this for a living and $ 7.5 per room with labor is more like half the finished job per bathroom. Trends come and go so be carefull on what you choose for the rooms. Here in N.J. with my customers the starting price for a renavation of a bathroom is about $15,000.
Ok so you spent 3 or 4 thousand which is it ? what is your time worth ? Like I said I do this for a living am I entitled to make a living ? Workmens comp. Ins Liablity ins truck and tools the margin gets smaller all the time. At $15,000 a bathroom from a contractor that delivers on time and within the budget is he entitled to live above the poverty level ?
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How to bring your standard 5x8 bathroom from 1972 to 2005ish: (assuming you have a servicable tub)
$49 - White Pedestal sink
$79 - Cheapo faucet
$150 - new white toilet
$150 - 50 sqft of tile + install material
$99 - medicine cabinet / mirror
$50 - misc supply lines etc
$19 - 3 bulb over vanity light
$20 - gallon of lightly tinted paint
$49 - Towel bar / trim set
$29 - Glass shelves
$500 - Have tub professional sprayed white
$300 - glass tub / shower doors
$100 - new showerhead and replacement faucet/knob kit
$50 - cheesy bathroom artwork
$25 - GFI outlet and switch
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$1670
If your tub isn't pink, brown, or orange, you can save that $500 in refinishing money and spend it on an off the shelf vanity + cast top.
I've done 3 - and it is certainly not top shelf stunning - but it is an absolutely amazing difference vs looking at the same old 1970s/1980s nonsense so many people have put up with with forever.
How to bring your standard 5x8 bathroom from 1972 to 2005ish: (assuming you have a servicable tub)
$49 - White Pedestal sink
$79 - Cheapo faucet
$150 - new white toilet
$150 - 50 sqft of tile + install material
$99 - medicine cabinet / mirror
$50 - misc supply lines etc
$19 - 3 bulb over vanity light
$20 - gallon of lightly tinted paint
$49 - Towel bar / trim set
$29 - Glass shelves
$500 - Have tub professional sprayed white
$300 - glass tub / shower doors
$100 - new showerhead and replacement faucet/knob kit
$50 - cheesy bathroom artwork
$25 - GFI outlet and switch
------
$1670
If your tub isn't pink, brown, or orange, you can save that $500 in refinishing money and spend it on an off the shelf vanity + cast top.
I've done 3 - and it is an absolutely amazing difference vs looking at the same old 1970s/1980s nonsense a lot of people have lived with forever.
Yup. During the "boom" the "PROs" wanted about $5K PROFIT to install all that... in a day. LOL.
Now they're happy with $500.00 for a day's work.
But you know, we have to hear the "how much should I get to keep above the poverty line" lingo.
How to bring your standard 5x8 bathroom from 1972 to 2005ish: (assuming you have a servicable tub)
$49 - White Pedestal sink
$79 - Cheapo faucet
$150 - new white toilet
$150 - 50 sqft of tile + install material
$99 - medicine cabinet / mirror
$50 - misc supply lines etc
$19 - 3 bulb over vanity light
$20 - gallon of lightly tinted paint
$49 - Towel bar / trim set
$29 - Glass shelves
$500 - Have tub professional sprayed white
$300 - glass tub / shower doors
$100 - new showerhead and replacement faucet/knob kit
$50 - cheesy bathroom artwork
$25 - GFI outlet and switch
------
$1670
If your tub isn't pink, brown, or orange, you can save that $500 in refinishing money and spend it on an off the shelf vanity + cast top.
I've done 3 - and it is certainly not top shelf stunning - but it is an absolutely amazing difference vs looking at the same old 1970s/1980s nonsense so many people have put up with with forever.
That is not a re-model - that is lipstick on a pig directly from the manual of the latest "Home flipping" TV show.
As to the OP - can you do it for 15K, well it depends on one big key in grediant missing from your post, well two actually;
1) The SOW
2) What level of materials do you want to use.
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That is not a re-model - that is lipstick on a pig directly from the manual of the latest "Home flipping" TV show.
Home flipping or not - a reasonable amount of $ goes a long way if you spend it wisely and don't need to make any major changes. And I actually have a $29 pedestal sink (looks great) in one of my bathrooms.
I have some friends who put in a $40k kitchen yet their guest bath is straight out of 1968. If they'd put in just a little bit of work (and not that much money) it would make a huge difference - they are refusing to do anything to it because "they don't want to spend all that money" - my parents were in the same situation until we redid theirs. Actually did both their baths and the kitchen for probably $8k (including new builder grade appliances) and it's like a new house.
I'll agree there isn't much you can do with a 5'x8' bath. New tile, maybe raise the dropped ceiling, new dinky vanity. We take tubs out and put in showers..I wouldn't reuse a steel tub unless I was desperate.
I ALWAYS remove the entire tub surround, repair rotten wood, install new tilebacker board (not that green sheetrock crap). Often remove existing floor and replace with new tile. however, none of this is real expensive..............
All bathroom reno jobs are not made equal. Who’s doing the work? What skill level do they bring to the table? Who’s designing the rooms? Who’s picking the materials and why are those products being sot after? Will those products date them self? Will you be paying full price for the materials or will you be buying most of the materials at .25 to .50 cents to the dollar? In a nut shell what I’m getting at here is, one person can spend 7,5k per room and end up with a 4k job. Whereas another person can spend 7.5k per room and have each room look like you spent 30 - 40k.
Will you get your money out of the house when you sell it, it all depends on the materials used, the design (will your design ideas still look current in 4 yrs time?), layout, colours used, how well those products stand up to everyday use and how well you guys keep the room.
IMHO "if" you intend to hire out 100 % of the work I don’t think you’ll get much of a job for 7.5k per room.....my bathroom job in my last home cost me 6k just for materials and I purchased most everything between .20 & .45 cents to the dollar with the exception of some items as high as .75 cents to the dollar. And that bathroom was only 5' x 9'!
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Originally Posted by LiLTony43
I do this for a living and $ 7.5 per room with labor is more like half the finished job per bathroom.
I did this one for less than 5K in materials. Largest single expense was the glass door and its hardware. Did take me a while to do since I'm not exactly a Tile Master. Agreed - the JB tile forum is absolutely fantastic.
You posted these pics on the John Bridge forum, right? I practically lived on that site when I did my master bath remodel and remember looking at these pics on there. Neat ideas you have - nicely done.
We just had a simple, small half bath installed in our house. We always wanted a half bath on this level of the house. One day I was looking down the hallway and got the idea we could squeeze one into that space. The total project cost $11k. We had to remove an exterior door, remove a window in the kitchen, install a new exterior door, remove some bricks, etc. That aspect of the project cost approx. $4k. We sourced our fixtures at Home Depot. I didn't do any of the work. The bad news is my wife now wants to renovate the kitchen since this project went so smoothly. I need to find a place I can buy KY jelly in bulk.
You posted these pics on the John Bridge forum, right? I practically lived on that site when I did my master bath remodel and remember looking at these pics on there. Neat ideas you have - nicely done.
Sure did Alex. Doing that BR was rather fun because of the odd dimensions of the room. I spent a lot of time on the JB forum while doing that one. The regulars - you know who they are, really are very, very good and manage to provide corrections/observations without letting anything develop into a pissing match. Ever.
Originally Posted by RI Builder
That is not a re-model - that is lipstick on a pig directly from the manual of the latest "Home flipping" TV show.
Have to agree with this and is exactly what I think when I see one of those "New Bathrooms!" but I suppose, to most, it would be better than what was there.
Not at all. I just found your statement hilarious and without merit.
Almost as funny as when people insist on supplying their own materials instead of me supplying them because they THINK they are going to "save a bunch of money". Even after a FAIR mark-up, the latter is more cost friendly. And then they ALWAYS forget stuff or don't know any better to buy certain items and that either causes a delay or costs more, and they say "Hmmm, I should have just had you get everything!" To that I say "Yep!"
I am still waiting to be amazed by photos of someone's $15k 5x8 bathroom.
PS: I don't have any issue with paying a fair amount for someone's expertise or skill. It seems 'a fair amount' is open to quite a bit of interpretation though. I have resigned myself to the fact that most tradesmen are looking for between $250-500 a day although at the high end of that range I have high expectations.
My comment on expensive remodels is not to bash contractors at all - more that I think it's bizarre that people think they "need" to spend so much money to make a difference in their home. I'm redoing a 3/3 to modern standards and although I'm past my original budget, I will be annoyed if I exceed $75k.
In Florida, all construction is on a concrete slab. toilet is already roughed in, sink is in the wall, and the tub/shower is in the slab also. Without major concrete cutting and relocating walls, there aren't alot of options.
When I was working in Savannah on historic properties with frame construction, it was much different.
I think this message thread highlights the difference between remodeling and renovating. If you aren't moving walls/doors/windows/floors/etc then it's not remodeling, it's renovating. That's why I called my bathroom adventures earlier this year "Renovation" since none of the basic layout/structure was altered.
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