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Old 11-19-2009, 03:17 PM
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Default Federal Judge rules Corp Of Eng. is responsible for Katrina Flooding!!

Who is responsible for the hurricane. that ultimately caused the flooding???

Another money grab, bend over American Taxpayer.
When will it stop?




New Orleans-Area Residents 'Vindicated' by Katrina Ruling Against Army Corps of Engineers

Thursday, November 19, 2009


New Orleans-area residents have been "vindicated" after a historic ruling that found the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers negligent in failing to prevent devastating Hurricane Katrina flooding, an attorney in the case said Thursday.

A federal judge ruled Wednesday that the corps' failure to properly maintain a navigation channel led to massive floods when Katrina hit in August 2005.
Lawyer Joe Bruno, who represented plaintiffs in the case against the Corps of Engineers, praised the decision at a news conference Thursday. He said those affected by the monster storm — which at its peak was a Category 5 hurricane — have been "vindicated."

"We're seeking compensation," Bruno said. (there's a shocker!)

Lawyers said residents are finally seeing justice served and vowed that the decision will stand.
Those whose lives were turned upside down after Katrina struck on Aug. 29, 2005, said it's important to hold the corps responsible for its part in the catastrophe.
"It's just about holding the corps accountable for what they did," one woman who lived through the hurricane said at the news conference. "They knew there were problems. I think the Corps of Engineers failed us."

"There's things we all lost. I lost things that are unreplaceable," she said through tears. "It was a long and hard road."
U.S. District Judge Stanwood Duval sided with five residents and one business who argued the Army Corps' shoddy oversight of the Mississippi Outlet led to the flooding of New Orleans' Lower Ninth Ward and neighboring St. Bernard Parish.

He said, however, that the corps couldn't be held liable for the flooding of eastern New Orleans, where one of the plaintiffs lived.

"The failure of the Corps to recognize the destruction that the MRGO had caused and the potential hazard that it created is clearly negligent on the part of the Corps," Duval said in his ruling.
"Furthermore, the corps not only knew, but admitted by 1988, that the MRGO threatened human life and yet it did not act in time to prevent the catastrophic disaster that ensued with the onslaught of Hurricane Katrina."
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Duval awarded the plaintiffs $720,000, or about $170,000 each, but the decision could eventually make the government vulnerable to a much larger payout.
The ruling should give more than 100,000 other people, businesses and government entities a better shot at claiming billions of dollars in damages.
Bruno said the ruling underscored the Army Corps' long history of failure to properly protect the New Orleans region.
"It's high time we look at the way these guys do business and do a full re-evaluation of the way it does business," Bruno said Wednesday.
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The US Government and the Corp of Engineers should do what insurance companies do, pull out and let them protect their own city. More victims, more blame...it is always someone elses fault.

If a hurricane hits my area and destroys my house, I am suing the government because they did not build a wall around my home and protect it from the hurricane.
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Let me clarify. I do what every responsible person should do which is properly insure my home and contents AND even though I am not in a flood plain, I have flood insurance.
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The US Government and the Corp of Engineers should do what insurance companies do, pull out and let them protect their own city. More victims, more blame...it is always someone elses fault.

If a hurricane hits my area and destroys my house, I am suing the government because they did not build a wall around my home and protect it from the hurricane.
Thats why they divert all hurricanes away from Charleston. We sued them after Hugo
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I'll bet George is glad to hear this.
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Let me clarify. I do what every responsible person should do which is properly insure my home and contents AND even though I am not in a flood plain, I have flood insurance.



Same here. However, the lawsuit once again proves the inefficiencies, waste, and failures of big government.

Most of the houses around New Orleans were there because the government told them they were safe to put them there. Obviously, they weren't. If you did some homework you can find articles on top of articles about shoddy construction, faulty design and poor upkeep by the Corp.

Here is one example;
First Draft: Contractor stuffed NOLA area floodwall with newspaper
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Not to derail, and not directly to do with NO - but I do hold the corp of engineers directly responsible for the shoddy condition of the ICW in Florida.

Now I understand that there is some indirect blame to go-around regarding funding etc. However they are the one's who are responsible and need to be held responsible. If by being held responsible they go after more funds or better manage the funds given to them, great.
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Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion as to who should be and who shouldn't be liable for the lawsuit aginst the Corp's of Engineer's..
I am going to ask how many of you actually know the fact's as to what caused most of the flooding in New Orlean's and the sorrounding area?
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Won't hold up on appeal.
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I blame Fat Albert Gore because he knew there was global warming for years before Katrina hit and he should have warned us about it earlier.



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Won't hold up on appeal.
What makes you say that Hydro?
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I blame Fat Albert Gore because he knew there was global warming for years before Katrina hit and he should have warned us about it earlier.



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Everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion as to who should be and who shouldn't be liable for the lawsuit aginst the Corp's of Engineer's..
I am going to ask how many of you actually know the fact's as to what caused most of the flooding in New Orlean's and the sorrounding area?
It was below sea level.
All the money they can steal won't fix stupid.
I would like to see it turned into an artificial reef
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I think the current administration should use some of the remaining TARP funds/slush fund dollars to "create or save" jobs in New Orleans building a new wall. It's a win win win win -- the current admin looks good (win), the people of NO get a new wall (win), The Army Corp of Eng is off the hook (win), and the printer creates jobs printing more money (win)!
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The whold Gulf Coast is practically below sea level, would you like Ala, Ms, Tx and Fla's low lying area's to be turned into an artificial reef?
Who is stealing? Do you know anything about the class action lawsuit aginst the Corp's of engineer's or are you just running your mouth?
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The whold Gulf Coast is practically below sea level, would you like Ala, Ms, Tx and Fla's low lying area's to be turned into an artificial reef?
Who is stealing? Do you know anything about the class action lawsuit aginst the Corp's of engineer's or are you just running your mouth?
Just running our mouths. And rightfully so.
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That's exactly what I thought.
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My coastal property is near sea level also. I pay dearly for insurance to protect a portion of my asset. Of course in North Carolina they will determine at a point you can no longer build on a parcel of coastal land ravaged by wind and tide. At that point you are SOL and it may as well be an artificial reef. No court is going to get you a check for the property and it is basically worthless. I also own property inland. Because the water table in certain years for a brief period causes the soil to be defined as wetlands on a portion of that land the government determines I cannot improve upon that portion of land. They did not pay me for it. They do not pay the taxes on it. They do not build a levy around it and pump it out so I can build on it. They will not let me ditch it, fill it, grade it or basically touch it. What makes portions of the Gulf Coast so special?
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Crazy lawyers. According to Spike Lee the Corp of Engineers blew up the levies.
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My coastal property is near sea level also. I pay dearly for insurance to protect a portion of my asset. Of course in North Carolina they will determine at a point you can no longer build on a parcel of coastal land ravaged by wind and tide. At that point you are SOL and it may as well be an artificial reef. No court is going to get you a check for the property and it is basically worthless. I also own property inland. Because the water table in certain years for a brief period causes the soil to be defined as wetlands on a portion of that land the government determines I cannot improve upon that portion of land. They did not pay me for it. They do not pay the taxes on it. They do not build a levy around it and pump it out so I can build on it. They will not let me ditch it, fill it, grade it or basically touch it. What makes portions of the Gulf Coast so special?
Same thing here.. build on a slow moving barrier island and you deal with the consciences yourself
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