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Federal Judge rules Corp Of Eng. is responsible for Katrina Flooding!!
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The funny thing is the Corp was pressured to do the MRGO by local politicians in the first place.
And others screamed about it for years. As usual, the politically connected won out. The COE is entirely responsible for damages in the St. Bernard and the Industrial Canal areas. When did the first article pointing out the problem with the MRGO appear in the Times Picayune? 30 years ago?
I can't stand NO. My Dad still lives there and I almost never visit because I can't stand the place. Only 2 things will bring me there... Dad and business. I rarely fish Venice because you have to drive thru NO to get there. Wouldn't bother me at all if it washed away but that doesn't change the fact that the Corps built a storm-surge-super-highway right into the heart of the city when they dug the MRGO.... and refused to close it repeatedly even though everyone knew it was only a matter of time. Not so sure it will be over-turned on appeal. The records and controversy spans decades and there is plenty of proof against the Corps.
Since it is highly unlikely that flood levels will ever reach my living space, when I paid the house off I dropped the flood insurance immediately.
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Why, it's too cheap not to have.
I don't care if its $10 a year, it doesn't cover anything below my living space which is at 14' elevation, so whats the point? If water ever got that high (14'), there would be no southern New Jersey, Philadelphia would be ocean front... Further, flood insurance is not cheap at the Jersey shore. I insure against the wind and any other cause however.
Living right on the bay, 1/4 mile from the inlet, the water level on the property can only get as high as the bay water... What we just went through 2 weeks ago, reportedly the biggest Noreaster in 15 years, there was rain water everywhere because it had nowhere to go. My home has the perfect run off route for the rain water, the bay... Despite the reports of this storm being the worst in 15 years, I know in February 1998 the water was a full foot deeper than it was during this storm... The Halloween 1991 storm (think 'The perfect Storm') and the Ash Wednesday storm of 1962 left very high water for sure, but neither were even close to the 14' mark. Today, by code, everything at the Jersey shore is on pilings or at 10' elevation minimum, and now hurricane windows too. Much different than in 91 or 62... A hurricane with our name on it is what to fear, we haven't had a doozy since 1944
You know what they say about people who live in glass houses, which includes everyone who has federal flood insurance. Just because you have insurance doesn't mean that the rest of us are not subsidizing your decision to live in a high risk area.
I think alot of people are going off of the deep end here and missing a few major points:
-someone correct me if i am wrong, but i believe the judge ruled there cannot be a class action law suit about this issue (thats why this suite was a few citizens, not a class action in the first place)
-the biggest part of this ruling, whether its overturned in appeals or not, is that it is a step towards taking 100% of control of such projects in New Orleans and other vulnerable coastal zones out of the hands of USACE. I was in a meeting with one of the scientists form the plaintiff's side on Tuesday and he said the lawyers are pressing for a settlement from the government that would create an avenue for a competitive design process from public and private entities...this is how its done in Holland (they know a thing or two about hydrologic systems). The USACE has proved over and over again in this part of the country that they are pretty inept when it comes to meeting relevant deadlines and coming up with functionable, sustainable designs that will last many decades into the future.
even if this thing makes it through a round or two of appeals, i highly doubt that thousands of people will be "paid off" by the gubment...whats to stop a judge from ruling that Road Home and FEMA money already paid is restitution? this wont end up as some payoff, its just a huge black eye for the USACE, as if they already didnt have enough around here.
The US Government and the Corp of Engineers should do what insurance companies do, pull out and let them protect their own city. More victims, more blame...it is always someone elses fault.
If a hurricane hits my area and destroys my house, I am suing the government because they did not build a wall around my home and protect it from the hurricane.
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Let's include the US postal service. If it hadn't been welfare check time, more people would have left that sunken privy of a city. The USPS should have provided mail service directly to the evacuees.
The most enduring phrase from the event is "who gonna hep us"? Some scumbag lawyer will rise(?) to the challenge.
The US Government and the Corp of Engineers should do what insurance companies do, pull out and let them protect their own city. More victims, more blame...it is always someone elses fault.
If a hurricane hits my area and destroys my house, I am suing the government because they did not build a wall around my home and protect it from the hurricane.
Okay!!!
It ain't the wall/levee failing that they got sued for. It's building the canal that allowed the water in to endanger the levees. In ST BERNARD PARISH and LOWER 9TH WARD!!!!!!!!!
In your example it would be the equal to say for instance. You have a hill in front of your home. The corps builds a 50 mile long canal right up to your hill. And over a period of 50 years they- the corp refuses to maintain their canal so it eventually washes away the hill and all the protection you got from that hill.
Next thing you'll say is: well I can install a sea wall, nope-- no you can't. Not with out the corps permission!
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Okay!!!
It ain't the wall/levee failing that they got sued for. It's building the canal that allowed the water in to endanger the levees. In ST BERNARD PARISH and LOWER 9TH WARD!!!!!!!!!
In your example it would be the equal to say for instance. You have a hill in front of your home. The corps builds a 50 mile long canal right up to your hill. And over a period of 50 years they- the corp refuses to maintain their canal so it eventually washes away the hill and all the protection you got from that hill.
Next thing you'll say is: well I can install a sea wall, nope-- no you can't. Not with out the corps permission!
Good analogy Twentynine. I pretty much gave up trying to help the unwilling and uneducated..
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Not to derail, and not directly to do with NO - but I do hold the corp of engineers directly responsible for the shoddy condition of the ICW in Florida.
Now I understand that there is some indirect blame to go-around regarding funding etc. However they are the one's who are responsible and need to be held responsible. If by being held responsible they go after more funds or better manage the funds given to them, great.
Well now that they owe every welfare slug in NOLA that didnt leave the town during the MANDITORY evacuation millions of dollars dont expect the ICW to get dredged anytime in the next 50 years.
Well now that they owe every welfare slug in NOLA that didnt leave the town during the MANDITORY evacuation millions of dollars dont expect the ICW to get dredged anytime in the next 50 years.
Can you read?
It ain't the entire sity of New Orleans!
ST. BERNARD PARISH and only the LOWER 9TH WARD.
It was not a class action lawsuit. The only people who have a slight potential to ever get money, are the few people who were party to this lawsuit.
This thread is a perfect example of why I don't frequent THT as much as I once did. Close minded, blinded by bigotry bullsh!t.
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