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Federal Judge rules Corp Of Eng. is responsible for Katrina Flooding!!
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Those that live in coastal areas should understand the risks of living in these areas. Those living on or near a fault line in California should realize the risk.
If the federal government decided to tax the people of the 9th ward an extra amount each year to help pay for the up keep and shoreing up of the levies in question before there was any threat of a storm, do you think Spike, Jesse, Rev. Al and the rest of the celebrities blaming the govt. would have been there to support it?
Is everything the governments fault?
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It is not necessarialy about the Gulf Coast as being more special than any place else it is a bout a shipping lane that was Dug out by the Corp's of Engineer's many year's ago to allow barge and ship traffic a quicker rout to the GOM with the promise that when dug they would upkeep the levee system that they made as well, the parishner's were not allowed to vote as to whether or not they wanted the shipping lane dug through their parish's and they have been trying to have it damned up or filled in ever since it was dug..Hence as so often happen's when big brother tries to make thing's better, the levee system turned to crap and erosion took hold and spread very rapidly thereby eaving little to no coastal protection to slow the tidal surge or the influx of water during extremely high tide's...
The Mississippi River Gulf Outlet is now damned up and was damned up by who other than The Corp's of Engineer's . That is the short and abridged version..
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As for Insurance, those who had it had to fight tooth and nail to get the insurance companies to pay, because the wind coverage blamed it on tidal surge and wouldn't pay and the flood portion wouldn't pay because they claimed it was wind driven water that caused the flooding..Damned if you do and Damned if you don't..
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Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.
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Those that live in coastal areas should understand the risks of living in these areas. Those living on or near a fault line in California should realize the risk.
If the federal government decided to tax the people of the 9th ward an extra amount each year to help pay for the up keep and shoreing up of the levies in question before there was any threat of a storm, do you think Spike, Jesse, Rev. Al and the rest of the celebrities blaming the govt. would have been there to support it?
Is everything the governments fault?
It's not just about new orlean's, there are other parishers that got hit 5 times harder than New Orlean's that you don't hear about because of demographics..
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Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.
( Patrick henry )
It is not necessarialy about the Gulf Coast as being more special than any place else it is a bout a shipping lane that was Dug out by the Corp's of Engineer's many year's ago to allow barge and ship traffic a quicker rout to the GOM with the promise that when dug they would upkeep the levee system that they made as well, the parishner's were not allowed to vote as to whether or not they wanted the shipping lane dug through their parish's and they have been trying to have it damned up or filled in ever since it was dug..Hence as so often happen's when big brother tries to make thing's better, the levee system turned to crap and erosion took hold and spread very rapidly thereby eaving little to no coastal protection to slow the tidal surge or the influx of water during extremely high tide's...
The Mississippi River Gulf Outlet is now damned up and was damned up by who other than The Corp's of Engineer's . That is the short and abridged version..
Give it up vertigo, most of'em would rather over look the obvious and completely ignore facts.
Yes! More than likely it will be over turned on appeal. However, have any of you spent one afternoon on the MRGO? I have spent 15 years, the amount of distruction over the span of those 15 years is uncomprehensible. The MRGO was dug by the Corps because of politics, it was kept open for years due to politics. For a fact the Corps was spending more money dredging than was being derived from the use of the channel. Year after year after year. My understanding is because of a few politicly connected families who happened to own interest in the Port of New Orleans. The levees were allowed to fall into disrepair, for years the only maintenance was cutting the grass. Plain and simple it allowed the full force of the tidal surge to reach New Orleans. The Corps did not design the levees to with stand that force. There lies the Corps liability.
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Give it up vertigo, most of'em would rather over look the obvious and completely ignore facts.
Yes! More than likely it will be over turned on appeal. However, have any of you spent one afternoon on the MRGO? I have spent 15 years, the amount of distruction over the span of those 15 years is uncomprehensible. The MRGO was dug by the Corps because of politics, it was kept open for years due to politics. For a fact the Corps was spending more money dredging than was being derived from the use of the channel. Year after year after year. My understanding is because of a few politicly connected families who happened to own interest in the Port of New Orleans. The levees were allowed to fall into disrepair, for years the only maintenance was cutting the grass. Plain and simple it allowed the full force of the tidal surge to reach New Orleans. The Corps did not design the levees to with stand that force. There lies the Corps liability.
Well put Twentynine, and thank's
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My waterfront home in NJ is in about as low-lying area as there is (in NJ anyway). I jacked the house up 9' immediately after it was flooded for the first time under my ownership (before I could afford to do so I might add).. If you own property in an area that is prone to flooding, do something about it or move... ON YOUR OWN NICKEL... Since it is highly unlikely that flood levels will ever reach my living space, when I paid the house off I dropped the flood insurance immediately.
Y'all should read the opinion. He did not blame all flooding on the Corps. The Corp is not liable for any of its failed flood walls. The only liability of the Corps comes from there design, construction and maintenance (or lack thereof) of the MRGO. The judge found, after a several month trial and hearing a shit load of expert testimony from both sides, that the Corp knew the damage the MRGO was doing, that it would cause increased flooding, that it was destroying natural hurricane protection, and yet did absolutely nothing about it. They allowed it to erode the levees built to contain it and spread to something liek 5x's its designed width.
So, you guys in Florida or other places, let's say the corp comes in and decides to dredge a canal across your area, that they know will cause flooding, and they do a piss poor job. They shouldn't be liable?
It's not just about new orlean's, there are other parishers that got hit 5 times harder than New Orlean's that you don't hear about because of demographics..
It's not demographics. The rest of Orleans, Plaquemines, and St. Tammany parishes were flooded due to either failed flood walls, levees or the lack thereof. Even if the Corps was negligent in any levee or flood wall construction, they are immune from suit, hence so liability. St. Bernanrd and the lower 8th ward are the only areas that people can recover for the corps' negligence because the MRGO is not a flood control project, and thre is thus no immunity.
If not demographic's then why is it that you only hear of New Orlean's, and not St. Bernard, Plaquemin's and St. Tammany among the other unlisted parishes ?
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Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.
( Patrick henry )
As for Insurance, those who had it had to fight tooth and nail to get the insurance companies to pay, because the wind coverage blamed it on tidal surge and wouldn't pay and the flood portion wouldn't pay because they claimed it was wind driven water that caused the flooding..Damned if you do and Damned if you don't..
My grandparents lived in an RV and then their shed for 3 years fighting the insurance company here after Hugo. They eventually won, and built a 4000sqft home with cash to spare from the massive settlement
It's not just about new orlean's, there are other parishers that got hit 5 times harder than New Orlean's that you don't hear about because of demographics..
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Originally Posted by twentynine
Give it up vertigo, most of'em would rather over look the obvious and completely ignore facts.
Yes! More than likely it will be over turned on appeal. However, have any of you spent one afternoon on the MRGO? I have spent 15 years, the amount of distruction over the span of those 15 years is uncomprehensible. The MRGO was dug by the Corps because of politics, it was kept open for years due to politics. For a fact the Corps was spending more money dredging than was being derived from the use of the channel. Year after year after year. My understanding is because of a few politicly connected families who happened to own interest in the Port of New Orleans. The levees were allowed to fall into disrepair, for years the only maintenance was cutting the grass. Plain and simple it allowed the full force of the tidal surge to reach New Orleans. The Corps did not design the levees to with stand that force. There lies the Corps liability.
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Originally Posted by Afishinado
My waterfront home in NJ is in about as low-lying area as there is (in NJ anyway).
Many of the flooded areas were not in flood zones and were NEVER flooded before.
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when I paid the house off I dropped the flood insurance immediately.
Why, it's too cheap not to have.
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That is crap.
Which idiot told you that CO2 only makes up 0.039% of the atmosphere?
what about all the other parishes to the east that got hit during Rita? where was our protection? where is our levi and flood gates. Not to mention the south eastern part of texas. I said it last nite and think it got pulled off of here...but i'm saying it again, they will have 90% of those parishes trying to sue the corps now!!!!
I have nothing to gain nor loose as I am not part of the class action lawsuit aginst the Corp's. I do however prefer that the truth be known.
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Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.
( Patrick henry )
Give it up vertigo, most of'em would rather over look the obvious and completely ignore facts.
Yes! More than likely it will be over turned on appeal. However, have any of you spent one afternoon on the MRGO? I have spent 15 years, the amount of distruction over the span of those 15 years is uncomprehensible. The MRGO was dug by the Corps because of politics, it was kept open for years due to politics. For a fact the Corps was spending more money dredging than was being derived from the use of the channel. Year after year after year. My understanding is because of a few politicly connected families who happened to own interest in the Port of New Orleans. The levees were allowed to fall into disrepair, for years the only maintenance was cutting the grass. Plain and simple it allowed the full force of the tidal surge to reach New Orleans. The Corps did not design the levees to with stand that force. There lies the Corps liability.
If not demographic's then why is it that you only hear of New Orlean's, and not St. Bernard, Plaquemin's and St. Tammany among the other unlisted parishes ?
We may be talking about 2 different things. As to the Judge's opinion, only St. Bernanrd and a part of Orleans were affected by the MRGO.
As to the media, and their constant harping on the lower 9th ward, then yes, it is because that is a poor black area and in the warped media collective mind, that makes for a better story.
Also, we don't hear about the other areas in La. or the Gulf Coast, including most of Orleans (where white people were the majority), because, simply put, no one gives a shit. There are a few reasons: the media doesn;t give a shit because there are no pictures of poor black people; the rest of the country doesn't give a shit because they just don't and assume that anyone who lives near water got what they deserved (disregarding that something like 80% of the population is coastal - not an exact quote, but something like that).
Now, part of the reasons there is less outrage about flooding on the western half of La. and the Gulf Coast is also simply because there is othing to be outraged about. You have to remember that all of th eflooding in metro New orleans on ther East bank of the river was due to one reason - the levees built by the COE failed due to poor design, construction and maintenance. Had levees failed on the Gulf Coast or western La., we'd be hearing about that too, to a degree (b/c you dont hear much about it where it did happen, except the lower 9th).
what about all the other parishes to the east that got hit during Rita? where was our protection? where is our levi and flood gates. Not to mention the south eastern part of texas. I said it last nite and think it got pulled off of here...but i'm saying it again, they will have 90% of those parishes trying to sue the corps now!!!!
What did the Corp negligently do to cause flooding there? nothing. They cant be sued there, as they did nothing to cause the flooding. Further, just like the rest of New Orleans, even if they had built shitty levees, they could not be sued for that.
The COE is immune from any liability in connection with flood control projects. The were only found liable for the MRGO because it was not a flood control project. It was a navigation project, which is outside their immunity.
Whether or not they should be immune aside, as to the MRGO, should they really be allowed to screw shit up like that with no repercussions?
