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what is wrong with California??? Banning Plasma tvs??
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If I can afford to buy it and pay the energy bill for it its nobody else's business how much power it consumes. Tha applies to houses, tv's boats, cars, airplanes and anything elase I want.
From what I have heard, there will be a base line for what a "typical person" reasonably needs for their electricity. After that, the price goes up exponentially. After that, it gets cut off. So, I guess you can have your toys, but you may need to wash dishes by hand instead of using the dishwasher or something like that to self-ration how you use your electricity. I dunno.
Do you really think the power company -- any power company, is going to sit still and take a cut in revenues because everyone got smart about their power useage?
Fwiw, electricity can NOT be saved. It's not like there is a big-assed battery at the power company that gets charged for later use. Once power is generated, it either goes down the line and gets used, or it gets dumped back into the ground.
Not at all. I think they will incent customers to use reasonable amounts of power, and they will make it easier to dump their 'excess' power onto those users. So what?
For an $8 credit a month FPL has the ability to shut off my AC unit for up to an hour (?) a day if they feel like it, to "ration" my power. To the best of my knowedlge, they've never done it.
God forbid, let us live our lives without intrusion and control into every aspect of it. So you know I have the right to be annoyed...I have CFL's in every light in the house and have had for 3 years. I have solar hot water and solar pool heat. My reward, although I have reduced energy consumption almost 60% from 3 years ago...my bills set new records every month. 3 years ago, my highest bill was right at $190. This year, my highest bill was right at $350...and that is after a huge decrease in power usage.
What are you acutal kwh usage 3 years ago to now? If I recall correctly my bills have maybe gone up 10-15% in the last few years but I don't think anything more than that. I've been driving down my usage slowly and deliberately but by no means in excess. You're saying thta without your energy savings you'd be getting $700 electric bills?! Don't know anyone in that ballbark, even my friends who went and bought 3800 sqft mcmansions.
Won't be long before someone decides that nice boat in your sig uses fuel for non-essential purposes and rations or eliminates your boat fuel.
Will you be ok with that too?
I did that myself, i downsized from a pair of gas guzzling 2 strokes to a single 4 stroke. If someone told me I would be able to buy 100 gallons of gas a month at the 'normal' rate of $3, but that anything over 100 gallons would cost me $4...
..well take a good look at your tax return and try to tell me that's not what I'm doing already. Give me a flat tax and point of use excess consumption taxes instead and I'd be just as happy.
REGARDLESS: that wasn't the thread title. The thread title was "ca banning plasma TVs." Just like the US govt has set fuel economy standards for cars, now CA has set effiiciency standards for TVs. This will force manufcaturers to innovate green, not just big. Again, I can't find fault with that.
Do you really think the power company -- any power company, is going to sit still and take a cut in revenues because everyone got smart about their power useage?
Fwiw, electricity can NOT be saved. It's not like there is a big-assed battery at the power company that gets charged for later use. Once power is generated, it either goes down the line and gets used, or it gets dumped back into the ground.
Not at all. I think they will incent customers to use reasonable amounts of power, and they will make it easier to dump their 'excess' power onto those users. So what?
So you really don't have a clue what is coming down the line -- and more importantly, why. And ignorance makes it all possible. Perhaps go back and re-read what I posted about the smart meters.
Get with the program...the gubment did the same thing years ago with the water saving toilet..so?..it works...EYEBALL...you have no idea how electricity works...you can save electricity by using less watts.....
I just bought a Sharp 46 inch LED/LCD Television. According to the data that came with it, it is a 200 watt unit.
California continues to feel it is the state's job to legislate the free market. After all, where else would the sales tax be almost 10 percent and the state still be broke? The cities are doing no better. The City of Los Angeles imposes a 10 percent tax on all utility bills.
I actually looked at the wattage before I made the decision to buy. Not because I feel I am doing my part to conserve energy (since we can't save it), but simply because I am annoyed by the cost of power. When gas is 4 bucks a gallon, Hummers don't sell well.
And as a new standard of legislative minutia, Beverly Hills has passed an ordinance forbidding people from having their cats declawed. Now there is a real good thing for government to be spending time and money on.
................. Beverly Hills has passed an ordinance forbidding people from having their cats declawed. Now there is a real good thing for government to be spending time and money on.
Some people feel that is cruelty to the cats since it's not just the claws, but the last joint in what would be the fingers on humans that is removed. It's a lot like banning dog or chicken fighting.
................Just like the US govt has set fuel economy standards for cars, now CA has set effiiciency standards for TVs. This will force manufcaturers to innovate green, not just big. Again, I can't find fault with that.
And we will all pay for the additional costs just like we do for cars and will soon do for boat motors.
Back in the early 90's a grad student at a Hong Kong university did a study on global buying of electronics products and projected power consumption for those products. He concluded the US would not be able to support the demand for electricity by 2010, would be rationing power by 2012. Smart meter installations started in 2006 -- been wondering if it part of a solution for what that student concluded.
Oh, and most incandescent light bulbs are banned in Calif, too -- yeah, they draw too much power, are causing global warming.
Dumb grad students..it only took till the end of 2009 for the demand to superciede output. Damn kid was off by a month and a half.. did they give this kid a diploma????
Ca is helping the country take another step toweards communism with this move.
If someone has the money to buy a huhe TV and can pay the electric bill at the same time let um do it! Me being jealious should have nothing to do with how big your tv is.
EYEBALL...you have no idea how electricity works...you can save electricity by using less watts.....
That's NOT savings, electricity -- that's using less of it.
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Originally Posted by kerno
California continues to feel it is the state's job to legislate the free market. After all, where else would the sales tax be almost 10 percent and the state still be broke?
You got the right idea, but Calif is not broke, it is literally bankrupt! -- has more debt than assets and more debt than the state's projected future revenue. In any other context Calif would have ceased to exist.
Because of the near 10% sales tax, in-state sales are down, tax free internet sales are climbing. I'm back in the state for a couple of weeks -- having some tailoring done, final fitting this afternoon, then the tailor will finish the order, charge to the card on file, and ship my clothes to me overseas. It cost less for me to pay the shipping and customs taxes overseas than it does for me to pay the sales tax in Calif and take my clothes with me.
