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I think it will take a sustained effort to solve the problem. Popping a couple of these clowns won't send a message to the rest of them. Punching holes in a bunch of them for several months straight might get their attention.
I agree, we shouldn't be the worlds police. Get the shipping companies to pitch in. Either way, I think we could get a true coalition on this one. Hell, even the French have shown a willingness to drop these dirtballs.
I don't know what the armament on the Maersk Alabama was but apparently it was enough to turn them away. Doesn't seem to be too much trouble to get them going the other direction.
I would be okay with a true coalition on this. However, I do question its ability for a long term effectiveness.
I have serious doubts that a few months of hitting them at sea will do anything to them.
These pirates come from the poorest regions of the world, with little to no hope in their lives. Their country is leaderless and for the most part lawless. The pirates are a highly organized criminal network. Sinking their chase boats at sea, in my view, will do little to deter them. For every low level pirate you kill, there are hundreds, if not thousands back on shore willing to take their place. The US, French, and Dutch, have all taken aggressive action against piracy, and it has done zero in the way of deterrent.
Attacking their land based networks is even more complicated as they have no declared home port. They are well mixed in with the civilian population, and, considered a type of folk hero amongst them. Given the worlds sensitivity right now to wars, I highly doubt you could get a true coalition to go along with on shore attacks.
To really hurt them, you need to look at their logistical support. Someone is funding them and arming them - start there.
I realize my view point on this is not the popular one on this forum, however, for now, I just don't see this as a US led military action - let the shippers deal with this themselves.
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Well trained contractors can deal with these threats vry effectively. The insurance companys are raising there rates that will drive shipping companies to do something to mitigate the risk.
The old executive options or BW would eat this op up.
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For every low level pirate you kill, there are hundreds, if not thousands back on shore willing to take their place.
You know what? We have plenty of bullets, at least 1 for every one of them. If we have to kill hundreds and then thousands...then so be it. They are criminals and they deserve nothing but the bullet with their name on it. If we have to do it once or a thousand times, we have to do it. Simple fix to this. Train up the proper military forces whether they be army, navy or marine and then equip them with the appropriate armament and RENT them to the shipping companies. Instead of giving to big companies, they should be charged for protecting their cargoes and personnel. I don't see a thing wrong with that.
You know what? We have plenty of bullets, at least 1 for every one of them. If we have to kill hundreds and then thousands...then so be it. They are criminals and they deserve nothing but the bullet with their name on it. If we have to do it once or a thousand times, we have to do it. Simple fix to this. Train up the proper military forces whether they be army, navy or marine and then equip them with the appropriate armament and RENT them to the shipping companies. Instead of giving to big companies, they should be charged for protecting their cargoes and personnel. I don't see a thing wrong with that.
That is a beautiful statement. The only thing I do not agree with you on is the bullet with their name on it. I believe we should put multiple bullets in each one of em.
I still stand by this. If we totally pummel them for TWO Months and I mean kill everyone of them that tries to do this and then sink their vessels then third month will see little to no pirates. IF my belief is off well then the third month we will just kill more.
The possibility of "renting" the armed forces to the shipping companies is a great one. This would put money in the armed forces and also keep our sailors safe.
ABOVE ALL there needs to be no reason for our sailors to be afraid to do their job. We know the problem. We know what to do. However, I doubt we ever will.
If there was a vote tomorrow I would vote my ass off!
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The rental of armed services is no different than buying insurance for a company vehicle. Why does the shipping company warrant free protection. The company might complain that they are not causing the pirates to attack them and I would argue that the insurance a company has to purchase to protect against a simple accident on one of their vehicles is not different. The accident was not purposely caused by the company.
I believe a few years ago british company already tried the hired security route with some ex sas guys. I believe they got over whelmed and jumped over board (after radioing where they where) so the pirates will let the crew live rather then risking the casulties.
Still say we send in some decoy merchant vessels full of SEALs and/or Marines. Capture a few and make them take us to their "mother ships" and land bases. What are they gonna do, declare war on us?
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I would be okay with a true coalition on this. However, I do question its ability for a long term effectiveness.
I have serious doubts that a few months of hitting them at sea will do anything to them.
These pirates come from the poorest regions of the world, with little to no hope in their lives. Their country is leaderless and for the most part lawless. The pirates are a highly organized criminal network. Sinking their chase boats at sea, in my view, will do little to deter them. For every low level pirate you kill, there are hundreds, if not thousands back on shore willing to take their place. The US, French, and Dutch, have all taken aggressive action against piracy, and it has done zero in the way of deterrent.
Attacking their land based networks is even more complicated as they have no declared home port. They are well mixed in with the civilian population, and, considered a type of folk hero amongst them. Given the worlds sensitivity right now to wars, I highly doubt you could get a true coalition to go along with on shore attacks.
To really hurt them, you need to look at their logistical support. Someone is funding them and arming them - start there.
I realize my view point on this is not the popular one on this forum, however, for now, I just don't see this as a US led military action - let the shippers deal with this themselves.
I'm not the blood and guts type either but I think at some point things must be dealt with. I don't think we should "own the world", but we should lead it. As the most powerful and most generous nation on the planet we should initiate actions that will make it safer for us and the rest of the world. It is also in our economic interest to secure shipping through the region.
I get your point about the problems of the region. They are the poorest of the poor with little hope of their lot in life ever changing. That doesn't change the fact that what they are doing is wrong by any legal or moral definition.
The shipping companies have dealt with it thus far by allowing the theft and/or paying the ransom and passing the costs on. This can only lead to more piracy. The pirates know it's lucrative and there is a very slim chance that anything will happen to them so they continue the raids. If they had the very real possibility of not coming home, would they take the chance? I'm sure some would but I'm also sure others wouldn't.
These guys have shown a willingness to fire upon the vessels they are attacking. In my mind, that is all the justification you need to return fire with overwhelming force.
On a previous thread on this topic I suggested forming flotillas with armed escort. Any ship in the flotilla would bear a portion of the cost. It really wouldn't take much. Maybe a 100' boat with an armed helicopter or two, some FLIR equipped lookouts, dedicated radio equipment. Really not much at all. Once word got out that flotillas were deadly, I don't think they'd get targeted.
Any ship that wanted to run bare would be on their own. Since the pirates would no longer want to attack a flotilla they would target the lone ships. The lone ships would see the folly and join the flotilla.
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Still say we send in some decoy merchant vessels full of SEALs and/or Marines. Capture a few and make them take us to their "mother ships" and land bases. What are they gonna do, declare war on us?
Just pay your fair share to Tony Soprano and fuggetaboutit
Most people with big enough boats to wander into trouble carry a couple weapons to defend themselves.. I'm a believer!
So why shouldn't a cargo ship carry armament & personnel to protect itself?
When you have cowardly countries like Spain paying the pirates off to the tune of ~$3.5M per incident, it does nothing but give the pirates the capital to expand their terror operations against others.
glass parking lot!!!!!!!!!!! wheres a ship going to go if there country is radio active for the next hundred years or so
skip the fore play go big or go home
Highly organized criminal network? Hope that was meant to be funny. Whats your definition of "Highly organized". Bunch of starving thugs risking their lives for some coin...not highly organized! One working WW2 machine gun (per boat) would take care of this highly organized group of AIDS invested thugs!! Give me a break highly organized
keep killing them...they will still keep coming. follow them to the mother ship with unmanned plane ....loaded with hellfire missles of course. end of problem.
Solution: Put a small unit on random ships in the area. A few navy seals or USMC grunts/scout snipers will make pirates reconsider when 1 out of 5 ship attack attempts results in everyone dying
Solution: Put a small unit on random ships in the area. A few navy seals or USMC grunts/scout snipers will make pirates reconsider when 1 out of 5 ship attack attempts results in everyone dying
You have to let one live. other wise no one will know what happend. they will just think there boats sank. Dead men tell no tales.
You have to let one live. other wise no one will know what happend. they will just think there boats sank. Dead men tell no tales.
Good point. Use the technique they used in Inglorious Basterds, but obvioulsy, not the swastika.
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