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Taking the kids in the morning to get the nasal, hope it is the right thing to do. Ages 2 and 4. Me and the wife getting it as well.
Aaagggghhh!!! Don't do the nasal. They use a live virus for the nasal so get the shot if you really think you need it. This is just my opinion --- don't get vaccinated. It's not worth it. Here's a quick story, and I agree it's rare but....my 5 year old son got a very bad neurological disorder from his flu shot last fall. He now has CIDP and will need to get IVIG infusions every 7 weeks for the rest of his life.
Granted, it's rare but keep in mind that there was a Guillain-Barre outbreak from the last swine flu vaccination. My son's CIDP falls under the Guillain-Barre umbrella.
My apologies, this is not the best way for the new guy to make a good impression.
I'm sorry that your son was affected by vaccination, but to tell others to not vaccinate themselves or their children is bad advice.
In my opinion.
I agree that the nasal vaccination is not as good of a choice compared to the shot. Especially if you are in an environment with a lot of social contact. Teachers, students, doctors, etc.
I'm sorry that your son was affected by vaccination, but to tell others to not vaccinate themselves or their children is bad advice.
In my opinion.
I agree that the nasal vaccination is not as good of a choice compared to the shot. Especially if you are in an environment with a lot of social contact. Teachers, students, doctors, etc.
Thanks and I do agree...but I did say:
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Originally Posted by Tonka Boater
This is just my opinion
I guess I'm just advising people to do there homework and do what is best for their families.
Everyone has to make their own educated decision. My daughter was diagnosed as having H1N1 yesterday. She had the seasonal flu vaccine about 3 weeks ago as did I. So far, we have not received the H1N1 vaccine but I plan to call my doctor today. FWIW, I would only get the shot, not the nasal.
Tonka - I'm sorry your child is one of the statistics. My daughter was diagnosed as having a neurological disorder ten years ago when she was six. Although her case is minor, it was a tough time but she is doing really well now.
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I'm sorry that your son was affected by vaccination, but to tell others to not vaccinate themselves or their children is bad advice.
In my opinion.
I agree that the nasal vaccination is not as good of a choice compared to the shot. Especially if you are in an environment with a lot of social contact. Teachers, students, doctors, etc.
The plus for the mist is no mercury. Also, kids dont yell and scream like they can with shots. My worry with the mist is that older people might not get much boost from it if they have seen a similar virus in the past, the attenuated virus may not infect them. The shot doesnt have this issue.
For young people they dont seem to have any immunity to h1n1 so it should be fine. One of my kids got it.
Here is the problem:
I travel so I am afraid I will bring it back to them
I am not giving them the shot with the risk of autism from mercury
Around here, they will only give the shot to some one that has a medical need, only nasal for everyone else.
So what do you do?
This was posted by "RaySea Lady" in the Captians Club Forum. Thought I'd share it with ya.
Got this in an email this morning, not sure what to beleive any more...
"The government cannot give anything to anyone that it does not first take
from someone else."
I am forwarding this information for your consideration. The prevailing consensus is that all people should be cautious about signing up for H1N1 flu shots
until more information is available. If possible get the nasal vaccine.
This doctor recommends that NO ONE SHOULD TAKE THE VACCINE.
Read his comments and make your own decision.
Cynthia Wiley-Wade| Admin Program Coordinator | Digestive Disease Institute
Cleveland Clinic | 9500 Euclid Ave. JJN4-02 | Cleveland, OH 44195 | (216) 444-2084 (216) 444-2084 | Pager 20060
Subject: DR. RUSSELL BLAYLOCK ON SWINE FLU
This is an email sent to a friend of Dr. Blaylock and is now being
forwarded to anyone interested. Please pass it along. Also note the
attached biography of Dr. Blaylock. Dr. Blaylock is a board
certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. He attended the LSU
School of Medicine in New Orleans and completed his general surgical
internship and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of
South Carolina in Charleston, SC.
No one should take this vaccine (Swine Flu vaccine) it is one of the
most dangerous vaccines ever devised. It contains an immune adjuvant
called squalene (MF-59) which has been shown to cause severe
autoimmune disorders such as MS, rheumatoid arthri tis and Lupus.
The newsletter for August covers this.
This is the vaccine adjuvant that is strongly linked to the Gulf War
syndrome, which killed over 10,000 soldiers and caused a 200%
increase in the fatal disease ALS (Lou Gehreg disease). This virus
H1N1 kills by causing a cytokine storm, which means that it cause
the body's immune system to overreact and that is why it is killing
young people and is a mild disease in the elderly. (The elderly have
weakened immune systems.) This vaccine is a very powerful immune
stimulator and carries the real possibility of making the lethality
of the virus much greater.
One's best protection is vitamin D3.. One should take 5000 IU a day now and when the disease
begins to spread increase the dose to 15,000 IU a day. Vitamin D3
modulates the immune reaction, reducing the chance of an
overreaction and stimulates the body to produce what are called
antimicrobial peptides, which are powerful killers of viruses that
does not involve immunity. This is dose related, which means the
higher the dose of vitamin D3 the better the protection. Fish oils
(the best is Carlson's Norwegian lemon flavored fish oil) also
reduce immune overreaction. One teaspoon a day should be sufficient.
For severe symptoms, one teaspoon twice a day. Antioxidants of
various kins also help this includes, quercetin, curcumin,
grapeseed extract, vitamin C, and natural vitamin E. A good
multivitamin/mineral such as Extend Core ( www.vrp.com < http://www.vrp..com/> ) is also
essential.
Feel free to spread this around. People need to know how to protect
themselves.
I assume that those concerned about mercury forbid their cildren to eat tuna, striped bass/rockfish, bluefish, grouper, halibut, lobster, Mackeral, shark, chilean bass and any other predatory fish. A six ounce portion of any of the above will put into your child upwards of 60 micrograms, nearly 5 times the WEEKLY limit for a 45 pound child and over twice the amount of mercury contained in the H1N1 vaccine (25 micrograms) assuming it is not he single dose version (i.e a single syringe full versus tthe 10 dose bottle). both of my children eat much of the above seafood IN LIMITED AMOUNTS. Fortunately they are evidently not pre-disposed to mercury related issues as certain studies suggest.
And I too had concerns about this vaccine due to mercury but, keeping things in perspective, only my older 8 year old is getting the shot (in December), has already had the recomended vaccines virtually all children receive and has been exposed to Mercury.
If this helps, the state (NJ) tried to make all nurses in the state get the shot but many refused and the state backed down off there demands. They now allow them to "OPT" out if they choose.
Aaagggghhh!!! Don't do the nasal. They use a live virus for the nasal so get the shot if you really think you need it. This is just my opinion --- don't get vaccinated. It's not worth it. Here's a quick story, and I agree it's rare but....my 5 year old son got a very bad neurological disorder from his flu shot last fall. He now has CIDP and will need to get IVIG infusions every 7 weeks for the rest of his life.
Granted, it's rare but keep in mind that there was a Guillain-Barre outbreak from the last swine flu vaccination. My son's CIDP falls under the Guillain-Barre umbrella.
My apologies, this is not the best way for the new guy to make a good impression.
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm so sorry to hear about your son... my heart goes out to him.... having infusions for the rest of his life does not sound pleasant. I for one do not share Booker's opinion that you should not have advised against the vaccination. You are living through a bad result of the vaccination and your first hand experience is valid... and appreciated! No one here is forced to take any particular advice given.
The reaction your son had to the vaccination may be rare... but it DOES happen and this isn't the first I've heard of it. I can't stand hearing some doctors say "well yes it can happen but it's rare so you should get the vaccination". They say it like it's no big deal.... well it IS a big deal to those that it happens to!
I've never been in favor of running out and getting any vaccination that is newly developed and the long term affects have not been studied. I have never had a flu shot (seasonal or otherwise) and I don't intend to start now. I'm not advising anyone one way or the other whether to get the shot.... my only advice would be to get as much information as possible so you are making an informed decision and not just running out following the advice of any doctor who happens to get face time on TV telling you you MUST get it. These doctors do NOT have your individual medical histories so they really shouldn't be giving "blanket medical advice" to the population. I think a better approach is to make the decision with your family doctor who knows your medical history.
Thank you for sharing your story. I'm so sorry to hear about your son.......In closing I'd just like to say.... to the forum!
Thanks for the comments and for articulating my thoughts in a way that I couldn't. What sucks is that you try to do the right things to keep your kids safe and it backfires. For what its worth, his doctor down at the Mayo Clinic here in Rochester, MN advised that nobody get the H1N1 vaccine -- it's not proven and the risks outweigh the reward. This is anecdotal but I am told that most of the doctors at Mayo are refusing the vaccine.
Thanks again and my apologies for being a buzz-kill. I'll get back to boating topics
[quote=BACKTOTHESEA;2599433]I assume that those concerned about mercury forbid their cildren to eat tuna, striped bass/rockfish, bluefish, grouper, halibut, lobster, Mackeral, shark, chilean bass and any other predatory fish.quote]
That is correct for my kids
Seems to be a lot of information & misinformation about the vaccine
The only 3 kids in our neighborhood (1 family) who received the H1N1 vaccine (nasal) all got H1N1 and the middle kid had to be taken to the emergency room and stayed in th ICU for a day with respiratory problems
My 2 kids & wife had it and luckily it was mild. I will continue with my daily Absolut vaccine (taken orally)
I assume that those concerned about mercury forbid their cildren to eat tuna, striped bass/rockfish, bluefish, grouper, halibut, lobster, Mackeral, shark, chilean bass and any other predatory fish. A six ounce portion of any of the above will put into your child upwards of 60 micrograms, nearly 5 times the WEEKLY limit for a 45 pound child and over twice the amount of mercury contained in the H1N1 vaccine (25 micrograms) assuming it is not he single dose version (i.e a single syringe full versus tthe 10 dose bottle). both of my children eat much of the above seafood IN LIMITED AMOUNTS. Fortunately they are evidently not pre-disposed to mercury related issues as certain studies suggest.
And I too had concerns about this vaccine due to mercury but, keeping things in perspective, only my older 8 year old is getting the shot (in December), has already had the recomended vaccines virtually all children receive and has been exposed to Mercury.
I think the big thing re: the mercury in shots and autism is the age of the child. We held back on some of the vaccines until my son was 3. RIght thing to do? I dont know. But he is perfectly healthy. My kid wasnt and isnt into eating fish at 3. YET!
Worth a read if you are considering passing on vaccinations. It is long, but well worth the time in my mind
My 20 month old was just diagnosed with H1N1. she is on the mend, and frankly strep throat is a hell of a lot worse then what she just went through. Pretty much a mild flu.
Everyone runnn!!! the goverment is out to get you...!!!
So far you win the award for the most informative post on the thread. Your ability to engage in the conversation and provide useful information is astounding. Keep up the good work!
What are the chances of getting the H1N1 flu? What are the chances of having a bad reaction to the H1N1 vaccination? Do you play Russian Roulette with the gun in the left hand or the one in the right hand and which one has the blanks and which one has the live rounds?
The Chinese say our lives are mapped out the day we are born. That what choices we make in life might appear to be our own actually are not, they were written in the log book before we were born. We are not all explorers on a journey into the unknown, we are just individual leaves floating down a stream. Some leaves get passes to the turbulent water, others do not and some just get sucked under.
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If everyone is jumping off the bridge into the water and some are being injured in doing so......sorry but I’ll take my chances with crossing the road and not being struck by a passing motorist.
You have to really look at that statement to understand what it is "really" saying.
It’s saying we have a choice to jump off the bridge or not.
It’s saying we DO NOT have a choice in being injured or not and we DO NOT have a choice in the type of injury we receive.
Crossing the road we have a choice on when it is safe to cross or not.
In other words, we do know how to greatly reduce our chances of catching the flu, but we have zero choices on how our bodies react to the vaccination. If doctor after doctor are saying no to the H1N1 flu shot then I think that is a pretty darn good lead to follow.
If a tire manufacture say that tire XYZ is only rated for 30 mph, are you going to do 70 mph with the family in the vehicle?
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So far you win the award for the most informative post on the thread. Your ability to engage in the conversation and provide useful information is astounding. Keep up the good work!
Well, I had the award I'm sure till you added this. Good jod for getting the top spot
Oh, and thank you for pointing this out for everyone.
Or wait, maybe it was a quick statement , and a fairly obvious one at that, that maybe people are taking small instances and making blanket statements about the way the govt is trying to get you. Disregarding of course, all the data about the untold amount of lives that have been saved in the past due to flu vaccination especially for people at high risk. Maybe you just didn't get it? Maybe subtly is lost on you.... Monty ponthy... get it, don't get it??
You must be fun at parties...Have you ever been called captain obvious?
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Or wait, maybe it was a quick statement , and a fairly obvious one at that, that maybe people are taking small instances and making blanket statements about the way the govt is trying to get you. Disregarding of course, all the data about the untold amount of lives that have been saved in the past due to flu vaccination especially for people at high risk. Maybe you just didn't get it? Maybe subtly is lost on you.... Monty ponthy... get it, don't get it??
No, I got what you were saying..... I just didn't see any reference here by anyone indicating they think the government is "out to get them". The discussion has more or less been around the fact there is much not yet known about the vaccination.
Your statement was a drive by insult to those that question the vaccination. Talk about your "blanket statements".... your insinuation that anyone who questions the vaccination must be a lunatic conspiracy theorist takes the prize.
At least I got you to post something actually relevant to the discussion. Your belief is that there is data and evidence to support getting the vaccination. By the way.... can you give us a link to some of that data? I'd be very surprised if there is any substantial factual data this early in the vaccination's release. Welcome to the discussion!
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