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Old 10-29-2009, 10:35 PM
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How about this.

Mount a motion detector outside of every entryway of the house weather it be window or door, then run the light part of the detector inside and hook it up to a bell. Use a different bell for different parts of the home so you know where the bad guy is coming from.

When bell # 4 sounds grab your shotgun and cell phone, as he enters pull the trigger and hit speed dial #1 at the same time!

Bad guy gone and he'll never figure out how you knew where he was coming from.

Cost? $100 and a little handy work!

Peace of mind? Priceless!
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I didnt read the whole thread so I may be repeating someone.
I am a retired cop. Cops do not take residential alarms with any type of serious response. We take our sweet time getting there because we respond to false alarms all day long. One after another....all day...all night. No police department I know of responds to a residential alarm with lights and sirens going. It is too much of a danger for what is 99% of the time a false alarm.
The best way to protect your property is to make it a less attractive target than your nieghbors house. Go on Ebay and get yourself some Brinks/ADT signs and window stickers. They are all over Ebay. If the sings and stickers don't stop the bad guy, the only thing the alarm does is let you know you have been burglarized. If the bad guy is going to break into your house despite the signs, he knows to get in and out fairly fast.
Go get yourself some signs and take the extra money to build a hidden spot for your valuables. Take the jewelry and cash out of the top drawer of your dresser in the master bedroom! The burglar will go straight to the master bedroom, grab a pillow case off the bed, and check the top drawer of the dresser first.
We are entering burglary season when people are working later, shopping after work for the holidays, and it is getting dark earlier. The majority of residential burglaries happen during the day and just after dark after daylight savings time changes over. They cruise an area looking for someone not home or better yet, someone pulling out of the driveway. Be aware of cars, people, hanging around when you are leaving the house. If suspicious, go around the block and come back.
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Here is a security sign I have inside my workshop....this door leads into the garage. I think it makes the point I am trying to convey. Given the poor clusters I think any crook will realize they will get hit and die a painful long term bleed out.
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Thanks CaptWill.

I have always wanted an alarm system however when talking to people who have had them I have always heard from some at least that they do not even use them say after a year or so.

In my case with the windows opened in the warmer months I for one would probably not use the system if I had one unless it was setup in a manner as you have explained.

I will delve into this a bit more locally to see what is offered
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In my case with the windows opened in the warmer months I for one would probably not use the system if I had one unless it was setup in a manner as you have explained.
We sleep with our windows open and use a yard alarm like this. The monitor is in the upstairs hallway and we have 6 sensors around the house. The "intruder" doesn't know that they have been detected. You can record a voice alert with each sensor so you know which one is being activated. Most of our activations are deer, racoons, etc. The other morning I was laying in bed and the meter guy came. I could lay there and track him around the yard. "Driveway one" "Side steps" Back patio" (time to read meter) "Back patio" "side steps" "driveway one". They are pretty cool.

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I didnt read the whole thread so I may be repeating someone.
I am a retired cop. Cops do not take residential alarms with any type of serious response. We take our sweet time getting there because we respond to false alarms all day long. One after another....all day...all night. No police department I know of responds to a residential alarm with lights and sirens going. It is too much of a danger for what is 99% of the time a false alarm.
The best way to protect your property is to make it a less attractive target than your nieghbors house. Go on Ebay and get yourself some Brinks/ADT signs and window stickers. They are all over Ebay. If the sings and stickers don't stop the bad guy, the only thing the alarm does is let you know you have been burglarized. If the bad guy is going to break into your house despite the signs, he knows to get in and out fairly fast.
Go get yourself some signs and take the extra money to build a hidden spot for your valuables. Take the jewelry and cash out of the top drawer of your dresser in the master bedroom! The burglar will go straight to the master bedroom, grab a pillow case off the bed, and check the top drawer of the dresser first.
We are entering burglary season when people are working later, shopping after work for the holidays, and it is getting dark earlier. The majority of residential burglaries happen during the day and just after dark after daylight savings time changes over. They cruise an area looking for someone not home or better yet, someone pulling out of the driveway. Be aware of cars, people, hanging around when you are leaving the house. If suspicious, go around the block and come back.

Good advice. I dumped Brinks monitoring and installed my own DMP panel that dials my cell in the event of a trip. I have even heard stories of the burglar answering the phone when the security company calls to buy time.

"Yes, I'm the housekeeper and I must of mixed up my customers alarm codes.. let me look through my notes for the password.. one minute."

The attic is a good place to stash stuff you only want once in a while.
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Who makes that monitor?
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I bought mine from Lord Henry. We had their old system with 3 monitors that just beeped. We would have to look out 3 windows to check the yard. With this system you actually can record 6 voice messages so you know exactly which sensor went off. There is also a set of dip switches so you can program the sensors in or out distance wise.

http://www.lordhenry.com/

http://www.voicealert6.com/
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In an ironic turn of events, last night someone stole a 200 pound concrete Easter Island statue from next to the front door of my home. Nothing ADT could have prevented but its almost funny it happened possibly while I was up late typing that.
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In an ironic turn of events, last night someone stole a 200 pound concrete Easter Island statue from next to the front door of my home. Nothing ADT could have prevented but its almost funny it happened possibly while I was up late typing that.

Sorry about the loss of your moai. Maybe you'll get a series of postcards from around the world with it's picture in them.

About you comment concerning the lack of PD enthusiasm in responding to residential burglar alarms -- again, I think it depends an where you are. Where I live the PD responds fast, and if they need to go beyond the front of the house they do so with guns drawn. I know, I have video monitoring on my home, have footage of the PD responding to an alarm at my home.

Some cities are charging when the PD responds to false alarms. Some cities are charging a fee for those that own a home alarm system to cover the cost of the false alarms. Some cities are charging both. It's something to consider for anyone installing a home alarm system.
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In an ironic turn of events, last night someone stole a 200 pound concrete Easter Island statue from next to the front door of my home. Nothing ADT could have prevented but its almost funny it happened possibly while I was up late typing that.
Its likely on the local highschool's senior lawn.
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Alarm system. Highly effective and always responds as though its not a false alarm

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We sleep with our windows open and use a yard alarm like this. The monitor is in the upstairs hallway and we have 6 sensors around the house.

Try this, from the MythBuster's website, and let us know how it goes:

- An ultrasonic motion detector can be fooled by holding a bedsheet in front of you.

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The bedsheet absorbed enough of the ultrasonic waves to mitigate any return signals.
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Try this, from the MythBuster's website, and let us know how it goes:

- An ultrasonic motion detector can be fooled by holding a bedsheet in front of you.

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The bedsheet absorbed enough of the ultrasonic waves to mitigate any return signals.
Ultrasonic is what is most common? Always wondered how those worked
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Ultrasonic is what is most common? Always wondered how those worked
That and infrared that detects changes in the heat pattern. Those can be defeated by holding up a piece of plastic (shower curtain) in front, away from the body.

Used to be one of those technologies, I forget which one, could be defeated by shining a high power light into it, one of those $29.99 1-million candle power flashlight things.

I don't follow the sensor technology anymore, not aware of any newer advances since combining infrared and ultrasonic in the same sensor. Maybe there is something newer, don't know.
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That and infrared that detects changes in the heat pattern. Those can be defeated by holding up a piece of plastic (shower curtain) in front, away from the body.

Used to be one of those technologies, I forget which one, could be defeated by shining a high power light into it, one of those $29.99 1-million candle power flashlight things.

I don't follow the sensor technology anymore, not aware of any newer advances since combining infrared and ultrasonic in the same sensor. Maybe there is something newer, don't know.
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Try this, from the MythBuster's website, and let us know how it goes:

- An ultrasonic motion detector can be fooled by holding a bedsheet in front of you.

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The bedsheet absorbed enough of the ultrasonic waves to mitigate any return signals.

They're PIR, not ultrasonic.
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That and infrared that detects changes in the heat pattern. Those can be defeated by holding up a piece of plastic (shower curtain) in front, away from the body.

Used to be one of those technologies, I forget which one, could be defeated by shining a high power light into it, one of those $29.99 1-million candle power flashlight things.

I don't follow the sensor technology anymore, not aware of any newer advances since combining infrared and ultrasonic in the same sensor. Maybe there is something newer, don't know.

http://www.buildingtechnologies.siem..._detector.aspx

This is only one of many of the anti-blocking anti-masking detectors available. There are also dual-tech(nology) detectors, pet-immune detectors, tekmperature-compensated detectors, etc. Ultrasonic motion detection has fallen out of favor many years ago, and is almost never used anymore.

We have also used under-floor stress sensors, (not the old under-carpet pressure mats), which will detect the movement of a person anywhere they are placed, but unless we're talking a higher security risk, a good old PIR is what is mostly used.
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MY wife is my monitoring company. She shakes me and says honey I heard something. So jump up and hide in the bathroom. I love her and all but why the heck should I become the first target and after all it was the women who wanted equal rights. You can't pick and choose them to fit your needs.
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MY wife is my monitoring company. She shakes me and says honey I heard something. So jump up and hide in the bathroom. I love her and all but why the heck should I become the first target and after all it was the women who wanted equal rights. You can't pick and choose them to fit your needs.
Hell. I want some one to break in. It would be like a scene from Indiana jones
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