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Apple is a corporation, making money the good old-fashioned American way. They have developed -- on their own -- a specialized market of people who actually WANT their products, and are willing to pay for them. If you don't want Apple products, don't buy them. It's not like the government is commanding you to buy a Macintosh, you know. (You want to see a monopoly (or a near-monopoly)? Look at Microsoft. What's communistic about Apple OR Microsoft???? It's CAPITALISM, pure and simple. God bless 'em.
I will never buy a Apple product,
my wife has bought one IPOD.
Apple products I will never used them, even if they were free.
I am A IBM/PC kind of guy...
Another stuff I had tought years ago is finally reaching the consumer...
I could never understand why there was touch screen POS/ATM terminals
and no computer screen's with the same technology...
I would like Microsoft to come up with a touch screen Windows software system,
that's where technology is headed...
I'm the guy that 20 years when everbody had "walkmans" and where on the music CD's
craze, I told them hard drives one day will become so small, music will be digitally stored
and CD's will become a thing of the past...
well I never bought a walkman, I had several offer to me that I never used.
Thats good because most of my friends that used them, they all have earing aid's now.
Wow that spel chkr works gud. I wonder what all those red lines are under the words I just typed.
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You mean like a company that makes hardware, and the software. Doesn't let any other companies or even the end user build their own system. You mean that kinda monoply?
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Apple is a corporation ... They have developed -- on their own -- a specialized market of people who actually WANT their products, and are willing to pay for them.
Yeah, we call them Apple-holics -- people with an irrational addiction to Apple and/or Apple products. Heroin addicts actually want heroin, and are willing to pay for it, too.
You mean like a company that makes hardware, and the software. Doesn't let any other companies or even the end user build their own system. You mean that kinda monoply?
Lots of companies make and sell software for the Apple system. If Apple wants to keep a lock on their hardware, and their OS, why not? They only have 10% of market share, so there's nothing remotely monopolistic about them. If you don't like it, then don't buy Apple computers (and you don't get OSX). Where's the beef? Capitalism at its best! You actually get to pay for what you want, and buy something else instead, if that's your choice. It's starting to look like the Apple-bashing here is nothing more than a simple case of jealousy and lust for something some of you think should be given away free. CAPITALISM, remember??
AND, AFAIK, today's Apple computers can run Windows, Linux and anything other OS you might imagine. Apple only controls the APPLE OSX operating system so that it can only be run on its own APPLE machines. That's one hell of a "monopoly."
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Last edited by t3rockhall; 05-02-2009 at 07:29 PM.
T3rockhall hit the nail on the head. Apple is the quintessential example of American ingenuity, as is Microsoft; capitalism at its best. I find that most people who cry "communism" have no idea what the word really means.
On another note, why did Microsoft invent Windows? Wasn't MS-DOS adequate? No. Microsoft created Windows to mimic the Mac OS, and that's all Windows is: a cheap imitation of the Mac OS.
Love my MacBook but I consider it a luxury. Most businesses will find it difficult to integrate a Mac without running that Mac on Bootcamp as a PC.
My Mac's ... home, work and kids all will boot Windows Vista or the Mac OS. Of course, this means you are purchasing a Mac that has a sizable hard drive so you can load two operating systems plus you are paying for two operating systems. Add to that the likelihood that you will want to run MS Office on the Mac OS side and the Vista side and it quickly becomes at least $1000-$1200 more to own a Mac vs a PC.
The MacBook Pro is an awesome laptop ... the Mac Program Aperture is amazing for dealing with high end photography ... final cut pro is amazing for video.
The iPhone ... awesome, although I also carry a cheap Verizon phone but heck .. who doesn't need a backup phone these days!
I guess if I can afford to run two 300hp V8's to cruise 30 mph, I can afford to use a Macintosh.
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One man's view of the two greatest computer mistakes ever made:
1) IBM agrees to license (rather than buy) DOS from Gates and Allen. Without that decision Microsoft probably wouldn't exist.
2) Apple refuses to license (except for a short time and with hardware constraints) apple software. They were so far ahead of Windows that Microsoft probably wouldn't exist again.
Gates and Allen are probably the luckiest guys on the planet
What's happening in the corporate world is that execs are going out and purchasing their own Mac laptops, and forcing their IT departments to start supporting them. It's the TOP people who are making the change.
Will the infrastructure switch for the masses of workers? Unlikely. There are just too many Windows-based machines out there and too many people who would need retraining.
There are just too many Windows-based machines out there and too many people who would need retraining.
That is what Steve Jobs said. He also said 90% of the people can't be wrong, referring to incorrect and misleading TV advertisements that Apple was running that suggested the Apple OS was better than MS Windows.
That is what Steve Jobs said. He also said 90% of the people can't be wrong, referring to incorrect and misleading TV advertisements that Apple was running that suggested the Apple OS was better than MS Windows.
He said that? Where? Please cite a reference.
Companies aren't going to scrap a gazillion computers with a snap of the fingers. But OSX IS superior to Windows -- that's why so many individuals have switched. If it wasn't, then MS wouldn't have to keep ripping off features. Vista would have been a smashing success, and MS wouldn't even have to advertise. THe real fear out there is that, as top execs switch their personal machines, they will eventually switch their business machines.
I explained to "Ed" from Apple sales what my intent was; he felt no need to transfer me to anyone else. I asked if it would matter if in the future I could be buying hundreds of the things, and then he told me I needed to buy $10K worth on the first order in order to use a PO.
Admittedly, I'm not a big Apple guy. They offer pretty much zero in the way of enterprise systems, and that's what I work with. My intent was to buy myself a macbook so my group could support some of the seemingly odd problems of FTP and Citrix issues we are seeing from the Apple users.
That said, I'm not going to try to and fix their business model problems. If their sales operations can't figure it out, why should the customer have to work around them?
What's happening in the corporate world is that execs are going out and purchasing their own Mac laptops, and forcing their IT departments to start supporting them. It's the TOP people who are making the change.
Will the infrastructure switch for the masses of workers? Unlikely. There are just too many Windows-based machines out there and too many people who would need retraining.
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Originally Posted by t3rockhall
He said that? Where? Please cite a reference.
Companies aren't going to scrap a gazillion computers with a snap of the fingers. But OSX IS superior to Windows -- that's why so many individuals have switched. If it wasn't, then MS wouldn't have to keep ripping off features. Vista would have been a smashing success, and MS wouldn't even have to advertise. THe real fear out there is that, as top execs switch their personal machines, they will eventually switch their business machines.
YMMV. Buy what you like and suits your needs.
lol..that's a good one. Tell me how OSX will handle a 5,000- 20,000 item directory tree (an average 1-5K employee business), and I'll begin to listen to you. AFAIK, Apple doesn't even offer a single instance to administer directory structure, do they? Do they even have a unified directory structure offering? I can't even run a >~30 person business without that!
And I've seen their SAN..it's 10 year old technology at best. For business use, they are a specialty. Microsoft might be losing the Grandma-buyer segment of the market (and when was the last time Grandma bought 10,000 copies of anything?), but the business side has a lot more to worry about than a threat from apple, and that is whre the real income is. With their current business strategy, Apple is niche player and an entertainment company; not that there is anything wrong with that, but it is what it is.
Apple products I will never used them, even if they were free.
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Another stuff I had tought years ago is finally reaching the consumer...
I could never understand why there was touch screen POS/ATM terminals
and no computer screen's with the same technology...
...
I would like Microsoft to come up with a touch screen Windows software system,
that's where technology is headed...
Hee hee. "I'll never use Apple BUT why doesn't anybody make touchscreen computers?" Have you looked at the iPhone or the iPod Touch? They ARE touchscreen computers. And, re. Microsoft and a touchscreen Windows, the little Apple products are basically now running on a (limited, mobile) version of Apple's current OS X. Quite soon they are expected to migrate this to some of the smaller "real" computers in their line.
Too bad you won't be able to look at them.
(BTW, there are already hundreds of thousands of touchscreen computers running in the US in [granted, limited purpose] POS applications on both major PC operating systems, and a number of specialized ones.)
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I won't go as far as to say I will never buy an Apple product. I will say that I don't see the value in anything they offer, and I have no need for most of it anyway, so I don't own anything Apple, yet. That may change in the future, but I doubt it. Who knows, maybe Apple will come up with something I can't live without, has decent build quality, works, and is priced reasonably. I'm not holding my breath.
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Well, a LOT of their products have decent build quality, work, and are priced reasonably. Apparently, the hangup is you and what you can live without. Apparently, quite a little.
...lol..that's a good one. Tell me how OSX will handle a 5,000- 20,000 item directory tree (an average 1-5K employee business), and I'll begin to listen to you. AFAIK, Apple doesn't even offer a single instance to administer directory structure, do they? Do they even have a unified directory structure offering? I can't even run a >~30 person business without that!...
Golly, Joe... I wonder what kind of computers Apple uses in THEIR corporate environment?
with touch screen, the mouse will become
extinct...
IBM was the computer company to come up with a "wireless mouse"
Hee hee again. No, IBM did NOT "come up" with the wireless mouse. Apple didn't either. Some third party, I don't remember for sure but maybe Logitech. Anyway, not IBM.
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