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littletunny - 7/27/2008 2:21 PMYeah what is going on???Just let them run like normal without all these crappy competition yellows and give them as many tires as they want.If you think your tire is going to blow.....pit....Pretty simple stuff.....
Maybe they are afraid that Tony will bitch about Goodyear again on national TV ?
What a bunch of pussy's. It made me sick to see the team owners actually supporting NASCAR's decision to have all the "competition cautions". The fans that attended live should get a full refund.
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true and if i was a sponsor i would be pissed.that was the biggest joke this year,and if the driver's where not a bunch of pussy's they would have parked there car's and told Goodyear and Mike Helton to go screw each other.
What a bunch of pussy's. It made me sick to see the team owners actually supporting NASCAR's decision to have all the "competition cautions". The fans that attended live should get a full refund.
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Apparently, the only tire company that is capable of manufacturing a tire that can handle the track at Indy is Bridgestone/Firestone!!!
Do you remember the Formula 1 race back in 2005, I think it was? Michelin sent a letter to ALL of the teams they supplied, like 7 of the 10 teams, that their tires would basically fail, especially thru turn 13 (Indy's turn 1). All of the Michelin shod teams wanted a chicane installed "overnight", yeah thats gonna happen. So, the Michelin teams pulled in to the pits at the end of the recon lap. Ferrari,Jordan andMinardi were the only teams (6 cars) to race.
Here is an article about it. Check out the last part:
For those of you who missed this event, 14 of the 20 cars skipped the race due to tire problems. Absent all the top teams except Ferrari, Michael Schumacher took his first win of the season at a race that was not only a low point in the history of Formula 1 but probably also one of the lamest spectacles in any form of motor racing.
What happened was that Michelin, which supplies tires to seven teams-Renault, McLaren, Williams, BAR, Toyota, Sauber, and Red Bull-concluded that its tires would not survive more than a rumored 10 laps due to the stresses imposed by Turn 13, which is the banked corner run as Turn One in the opposite direction at the Indy 500.
This conclusion was reached after as many as eight Michelin tires had failed or were on the verge of failure during practice and qualifying. As a result, on Sunday morning, after unsuccessfully petitioning the FIA, which is the sanctioning body that controls Formula 1, to install a chicane before Turn 13, Michelin advised the teams running its tires to withdraw from the race.
Although Michelin's concern for driver safety is admirable, the inescapable fact remains that Michelin blew it in the biggest possible way by showing up at Indy with tires that were simply not race worthy. This is particularly amazing because Michelin had been enjoying an outstanding 2005 F1 season, with its teams winning every race and every pole. The French company's tires have received much of the credit for the fall of the long-dominant Bridgestone-mounted Ferraris.
At Indy, however, the Michelins couldn't withstand the loads generated in the banked Turn 13, which is negotiated at about 195 mph. The reason for this is hard to fathom, as this corner has been banked at 9 degrees and 12 minutes ever since the track was built in 1909 and F1 cars have raced on it five times prior to this year's race. Furthermore, Bridgestone was able to produce a tire that survived this corner while delivering decent performance (Schumacher qualified fifth).
There was some talk that the problem was caused by the resurfacing of the Indy oval last fall, but the drivers at the Indy 500 found that the new track was easier on tires.
Each team in F1 is allowed to come to a race with two different dry-tire compounds to allow for differing track conditions, but apparently, neither of the options Michelin presented to the teams was suitable for Indy. Higher tire pressures were thought to help durability at some cost to handling, but not sufficiently to solve the problem.
What's more astonishing about this failure is that the weekend's weather was moderate. The temperature on race day was in the 70s with mostly overcast skies. How could the Michelin tires not survive more than 10 laps at that temperature when they should have lasted the entire race distance on a track 20 degrees warmer?
The problems with the tires became widely known to Michelin, the teams, and the organizers by the conclusion of Saturday's qualifying session, in which Jarno Trulli took the pole with his Michelin-shod Toyota. But what could be done?
The strict rules of Grand Prix racing provided no options. Of the two compounds the teams are allowed to bring to the track, each team must select which one it will use by Saturday morning. There is no provision for substituting different tires over the course of the weekend.
Even so, the Michelin teams volunteered to give up their grid positions and start behind the Bridgestone runners if they could use different tires. They reportedly even offered to run the race for no points.
These concessions turned out to be moot as the only alternative tires Michelin could supply were the ones designed for the Barcelona GP. Those had similar construction to the Indy tires, but in the end, Michelin wasn't sure they would work at Indy, either.
At this point came the proposal for a chicane just before the problematic Turn 13. Reducing the speeds through that corner would have likely enhanced tire life. Even if it hadn't, the change would have minimized the prospect of a high-speed crash into the none-too-forgiving outside wall.
This proposal got no further than the substitute tire idea. Any such change would have required the agreement of all the teams. Jean Todt, the Ferrari team principal who is known for playing hardball when he senses an advantage, saw no reason to give his luckless rivals a break. Besides, Todt never weighed in on this idea because Max Mosley, the head of the FIA, wouldn't countenance throwing the rulebook out the window to reconfigure the track between qualifying and the race.
Standing on principle is admirable, but what about salvaging the race? Surely, some combination of speed-reduction measures and Michelin-team penalties could have been contrived to allow the race to proceed. Installing the chicane, gridding the Michelin cars behind the Bridgestone cars, and only awarding half-points to the Michelin runners would have been highly irregular. But the drivers would surely have gone for it, and even such a radical solution would have been light-years better than the farce we witnessed.
Fans filed lawsuits demanding refunds of their ticket costs and compensation for their travel expenses to the nonrace.
Champ Car officials at Cleveland announced they would accept old Indy GP tickets for admission to their June 26 event. California's Irwindale Speedway made a similar offer, explaining that "fans who went to Indy . . . for the Formula 1 race didn't really get their money's worth." To its credit Michelin agreed, offering refunds to all USGP ticket holders and 20,000 free tickets for next year's event to returning fans.
Meanwhile, the FIA brought five charges against the seven non-starting Michelin teams, including "making a demonstration damaging to the image of Formula 1." After the teams were found guilty of two charges, the usual finger-pointing and blame-shifting commenced.
The guys at NASCAR must be laughing their asses off.
aaawwww... come on now fellas. They, NASCAR, did what they did in the name of "safety". Are you saying you are AGAINST a GOVERNING BODY controlling the events and removing the expertise of those involved to the point of saying, "gentlemen, we can manage and control your cars better from this here Ivory Tower... now, we want you to get out there and drive and change lugs nutz, we will take care of the strategy...
Sounds a little like something else going on in this country.
I mentioned this in the Bilge... but I would rather see some cars rolling the dice and doing 160 to conserve tires (and fuel) as some are doing 190 and melting the tires off in 10 laps and having to pit. If the jackasses in the Ivory Tower could figure something THIS elementary out, it could have been the best race ever. It would have had drama, the element of the unknown... and guys actually thinking their way to victory.
I'd watch if..........Half way through the race they "bang-a-U'y" and go the other way! And if anyone is down a lap or more they would have to go against traffic until they get to the half way mark!
Nascar screw's the fan's again 
