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Old 05-06-2008, 09:47 PM
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Anyone ever dealt with getting an invisible fence installed at their home? I'm considering two options for a fence for my pup at this place in Destin:

Call invisible fence and get them to dig the yard up to put that wire underground. I did it at the place in Fourchon with the Petsafe brand from Petsmart and it wasnt any kind of issue. Mostly because it was wide open land and easy to dig in dirt, plus no one down there cared that the wire was exposed running across my driveway. Never had an issue with the product what so ever. It definitely came in handy keeping the dog away from the water, something that I was concerned with since my last dog fell in and drowned (no way of getting out except the boat launch a canal over) However this place in Destin is covered in brush from front to rear, has sandy dirt (not on the beach), and just seems like it is totally not worth DIY. That's why I'm thinking Invisible fence. I like the defined boundaries and all, but was curious as to the usual cost. There's not much land going around, maybe 10 feet outside of the house.

Second option is to get one of those wireless systems they sell at Petsmart. Basically you plug in this deal inside your house and it sets a diameter range that the dog can run around in. I have not had any experience with the product but definitely am curious. It is less than 200 bucks from what I remember. No issues to worry about with water, but my neighbor's house is only about 15-20 feet away from mine. Havent met them yet, so I'm not sure how they'd react. Also, I'd prefer he didnt run in the road.

Now granted he will be supervised when outside, but he loves people and is a bit of a jumper, so I'm a little wary about not having set boundaries. I just basically want to be able to let him out the front door to do his business without me walking him on a leash everywhere. He really enjoyed being able to run free at the camp, so I'd like for this to be just as enjoyable.



Actually, another question too: What is another method of keeping him downstairs when inside? The downstairs is a concrete floor, while upstairs is hardwood and his claws may scratch it up. I have one of those baby gates that I put on the stairway, but climbing over it is getting old fast since I (obviously) have to go downstairs to get out of the house. It mostly ends up laying on the side of the stairs with the dog sitting in the fencedpatio area. I'm sure on this issue I'll just have to get over it and deal, but I wanted to see if any option was available.



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I considered one for my dog, but the biggest problem is that it does not keep other dogs from coming into your yard. We have a small Hotdog, and worry about a larger dog attacking him.
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I've never used the fencing, so can't comment there...but...
If his nails are long enough to damage your floors, they need trimming. Or does he try to "dig" the floor?
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Dog Watch is an excellent alternative to Insisible Fence. Similar technology at a better cost/value. They're also a franchise, so you get the "owner" of the company who is most often a local guy...

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I have a Chessie who is very territorial about her land and would charge anything who came near it. With the fence, she is contained and have no problem. I keep the collar on her maybe 50% of the time and that's more than enough to remind her of the fence.

At our previous address, she would actually run up of the boarder of our land and just stand in the shock zone.......Chessies are known for the pain tolerance.
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Our invisable fence works some of the time....

I have a Beagle/Redbone mutt. When she sniffs something (deer or turkey) that may be fun to chase she runs up to the fence boundaries, slows down, then grits her teeth, accelerates and runs through anyway. She come back covered in mud and happy as can be... Then sits out on the road and howls for us to "let her back in."

But when it comes to chasing thing that don't smell like a deer or a turkey, the fence keeps her inside...

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I went with the cheaper alternative: the invisible dog.




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I use the Petsafe brand for my 9 month old yellow lab....I love it and he gets to go out whenever! That wireless one throws a radius so how will that work for you (depending on where you put it)? Would it extend into the abbuting lot? If you plan on staying for a bit...go "in ground". There is some benefit to teching the dog what is his/hers to roam.
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Have used the Invs. Fence for 15 years (2) locations.....VERY PLEASED...2 BIG SHEPARDS....in the open area the wire
was "trenched" in....wooded areas, just laid on the ground.....1 hour or 2 for training ourselves and flags for two weeks
and we have had no problem...Batteries are sent every month or so on time....and great warranty...we moved..they
installed the entire system free....I paid for the new wiring only...
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I have tried all but the dog watch and they work great except for this last dog we got ,it too is friendly and loves to jump and bark. I some times think it enjoys the jolt. You could put a small section of invisable fence on the basement stairs .
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Thanks for the advice guys. I'm not concerned about other dogs coming in and attacking, he's a 90lb Giant Schnauzer so he could hold his own, plus the only other dogs I've seen there are Mini Schnauzers or some other mutt thats "contained by an invisible fence"

From what I hear though, the IF will run you about 1-2 grand with installation? That seems a bit high. Plus I still have the old module so all I'd have to buy is new wire. Perhaps I'll just lay it on top of the brush as Clark said. It's not like we have grass that needs to be cut so it may work.
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A friend of mine installed his own InvF5 years ago, about 500'. He rented a device designed for burying cable(similar to a roto-tiller) and it just cuts a slit ~3" deep that you just have to tamp back down(no visible damage).At the drive he caulked it in an existing expansion joint(no,it wasn't5200[img]../images/emoticons/wink.gif[/img]). As stated, they aren't bulletproof and when a strong enough will is present your dog's on the "outside looking in".[img]../images/emoticons/frown.gif[/img]

We had pups from the same litter and I was suppose to inherit it for training mine. It never happened and mine just "learned" her limits the old fashion way.[img]../images/emoticons/wink.gif[/img] He did puppy-sit mine a few times and she still remembers his layout.
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Borrow someone's gas powered edger and use it for the trench, then push the wire in with a stick, and finally just step on the seam to push it back together. I have done it a couple of times this way. You don't need special wire because it is just carrying a radio signal and not electricity. I always start at one edge of the garage door and run the wire in and up over the top of the door. I run the other end down along the driveway, around the perimeter of the yard and around the house to the other side of the driveway, in under the door and up over the top of the garage door. Run the wire back along itself anywhere you want to cancel the signal (perhaps along the house and in the garage).
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I have the petsafe underground system that I use with my black lab. He is 6 years old and has been using the fence since he was 6 months old. He has only tested the fence but he has never gotten out or crossed his boundary. I have mine set for a 6-7 foot shock zone(meaning 12-14 total from side to side). The way your yard sounds you may have to adjust yours with a smaller field of shock distance. The main issue is training and not letting your dog out on his on during the first week. He can be tied up or on leash. The lady that helped me on the training said that if the area going beside a house with flags seems tight to the dog they will not go through that area. The drawback to that is if that is there only way from the front to back yard. Hope this helps but I think the buried is going to be your best bet, wireless will allow your dog to go in your neighbors yard.
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Eye Catcher, first, I donít like that name picked, Eye Catcher

Second, there is nothing in your post that cannot be achieved with basic dog training. I am a huge fan of the idea of training dogs and your dog is a smart one, easier to train. You donít really need that electric fence unless you donít have the time (or desire) to do the training. Itís just a personal thing with me but I really enjoyed training my dog(s). I probably would not be happy with a dog that required an invisible electric fence.

The thing about a highly trained dog is that the two of you will bond like it isnít possible to do with any other animal. Especially with that big Monopoly dog, you two will become inseparable.

Oh, and when your dog is trained, you just say "down stairs" and he will go there and stay there until you tell him otherwise, especially if it puts him between you and the exit.


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I have had the petsafe fence with 3 different dogs at 3 different homes. Under $200.00 I have a lab and a Brittany. Train them and works like a charm. Dogs can enter the yard at their own risk. Somebodys boxer came in the yard last year and Jack went to his arse. LOL. The boxer left the premises. Change the batteries every 3 months. I laid my wire on the ground and the grass grew over it. Love mine. And the people at petsafe will answer all questions. Make sure you get a surge protector. Good luck.
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The PetSafe Instant Fence wireless system is fantastic. No reason to spend big bucks on wire system. I've had both.
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I have had both Invisible Fence and the Petsmart one...
My neighbor and I did our properties together as one for our 3 Golden Retrievers. With collars, installed was about $1600 as I recall. It worked well, what I found particularly annoying was the 'monthly' (or so battery) plan. When my current dog was a pup I bought the system from Pet Smart for like 10% of the I.F. price to take to Florida. It worked equally as well as the I.F..... I think I.F. was the first to do it right, good advertising etc made them the standard, but from my experience, you can now get the same job done for waaay waaay less $
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we paid about 1,200 for 1.25 acres.

IF brand. They have machine to bury the wire including the driveway and then they seal the driveway.

Golden retriever totally respects the boundary.

He is so well respectful of it I am considering not incurring the cost of the batteries.
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I had looked at the same alternatives.My concern with the wireless fence is that if it malfunctions (powerfailure, circuit breaks in the transmitter), the dog would get shockedcontinuously. Maybe the wireless ones are safer now, but a softtempered dog could get ruined by such an episode . Between the 2 givenchoices: I would go in ground - it will exactly fit your boundary, andif it fails, it fails safely.

I boundary trained my shepherd using a shock collar, which is also very useful for other forms of training. 99.9% of the time, the beep was enough and I used it very carefully. Depending on the temperment and age of the dog, this is slightly more time consuming than the electric fence training. The key is immediate, consistent, feedback during the training, and never use it out of anger, or frustration. Verrry effective tool when used with positive reinforcement for advanced off-leash training. Mine is a Tri-tronics, 1/2 mi range, beep + 6 shock levels momentary and continuous, and they are available at Cabelas. If you can't trust and control your dog off leash, its a liability IMO.
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