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Ok, I will be completely honest, this post was completely inspired by a bar conversation, which occurred after leaving a local store, where I saw an individual purchasing food items on food stamps then proceed to the parking lot and get into a new body style Escalade. To top it off, I had today gotten paid today and looked at my pay stub to find out that I have so far this year had enough taken out of my check to pay for a full time housekeeper. So here goes.
IMO, we need to as a society put into place some very significant requirements to be eligible for any public handouts, and require people to submit to certain alterations of their normal way of life. For instance, we, as tax paying folks, be able to decide that anyone who receives public money to assist in their wellbeing should not be able to spend their money on certain things. Here are a few examples that I think are reasonable. No rims, no alcohol, no premium cable/sat tv subscriptions, no big screen tv's, no drugs.
In addition, you should have maintain a working family budget, which outlines all expenses, including receipts, and be subject to audit at any time. If you are physically able to work, and wish to receive public money, you should have community improvement work assigned to at least help give back to society. Also, IMO you should be subject to drug testing at any given time, repeat failure would warrant complete banishment from any public assistance.
so what say you, what is your take?
PS: I would really like to be able to make use of physically able welfare recipients for yard work purposes, but I guess that would be a bit over the top.
You still at the bar?
I have a few concerns about welfare in this country as well, like how a family can continue to breed this same hand out mentality to their children. It has done nothing to help with poverty and has become a crutch. I have more but not in the Pizz and moan mood.
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Oh dam an this could get ugly! And Fast.
But it is annoying when I get no help and do pretty good for my self!
To see person on FS Drive a better and newer Ride then mine that is not borrowed of course.
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I was on welfare once about 30 yrs ago.....for about 3 wks. I had move from one location to another for work. So I heard at the time from someone at the bar I could receive assistance provided that I could prove I was waiting for a job to start up....which was no problem because that was the truth. So I inquired, it turned out that I was qualified. My assistance consisted of my hotel room was paid for by welfare and welfare also setup arrangements for me to eat three squares a day at a local dinner......not one dime of money ever passed through my hands.
Now I have no idea if that is how Canada runs it's system today, but I thought and still think that is a very good way to run the system. You can't buy drugs, booze or smokes if you have no money in your pockets.
I hate to say it but I some how doubt that our welfare system can be fixed of all it's problems there is just too much corruption both legal(yes, well semi legal) and criminal in the system . It may take more money to fix it than to let it rum it's nasty course.
I know many people really need welfare for a short time and even now days maybe for a longer time. I had a acquaintance who really, truly and swear by God, needed some help for a time and could not get it.
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Here we go, but in NC, when Bill was Pres we tried to make people work for welfare. It was called "Work First". It cost too much money and was stopped. Where can a female, without a high school education, with 2 or 5 kids work and get paid enough money to afford child care? You have to stop the breeding.
I will bet anyone here (excluding mods) that this will be in the bilge before it is done!
Yep, this one will end up in The Bilge, frozen, or both. But that only goes to show that nobody wants to talk about this because it's a no-win situation.
My solution for welfare reform goes like this,
Big government run buildings with lots of bunk beds, one person per bed, no televisions, no computers, but plenty of books.
A nice big kitchen that serves three meals a day. Bacon and eggs for breakfast. Soup and a sandwich for lunch. Meatloaf, green beans, and mashed potatos for supper. No variations, just the same menu every day.
Outside of that, there would be no further assistance. Those who simply want to live off the government could do so. Otherwise, they could go find a job just like the rest of us if/when they got tired of living under somebody else's roof and following somebody else's rules. Isn't this what usually happens when kids grow up and leave home?
If you think the above living conditions would be unacceptable, talk to anybody in our military who is serving in Iraq.
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Come down to New Orleans and hit the grocery store at night and see how pizzed you get. Load up one basket on approved welfare items and another one with steaks and alcohol on cash for their weekend, then go outside and get in the Katrina mercedes or Caddy. Yeah its pretty sick. People still bitch down here about not being able to afford to fix their house but they have a 60-70,000.00 car sitting infront of the Fema trailer.
I was on welfare once about 30 yrs ago.....for about 3 wks. I had move from one location to another for work. So I heard at the time from someone at the bar I could receive assistance provided that I could prove I was waiting for a job to start up....
Given the history between the two of us, I wish somebody else would have said that.
You're unemployed, eligible for welfare, but you're sitting in a bar learning from another bar patron about how you too can qualify for welfare? Unless you both were in there responding to a "Help Wanted" sign on the door, I think you just made a good argument for how screwed up our welfare system is.
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While you're at it, let's not forget to get rid of farm subsidies, oil company subsidies and other forms of CORPORATE welfare. If you can't run a business well enough to STAY in business, you shouldn't BE in business.
While you're at it, let's not forget to get rid of farm subsidies, oil company subsidies and other forms of CORPORATE welfare. If you can't run a business well enough to STAY in business, you shouldn't BE in business.
Well hell, while we're at it, let's just take this thread off into a whole 'nother topic!
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autobaun70 - 11/29/2007 7:30 PM
I would really like to be able to make use of physically able welfare recipients for yard work purposes
Then hire them to do your yard work.
I don't mind doing that at all, but I don't want them getting that money + all of the $ that is already taken out of my check on a regular basis. THe way I see it, I am putting in 30%+ of my anual income, and having to work my arse off to live the way that I want to while others are kicking back and recieving a check. Cut them off, or make them give back, seems fair to me, no more free rides for anyone who is physically able. Either find yourself a job, or the welfare commissions should find one for you.
I have a better solution, Instead of funneling the money through the feds with all the beauracracy. Each taxpayer would be assigned a welfare recipient (since there are more taxpayers than reciepients, I would apply this only to wealthy liberal taxpayers) they would send the check direct to the reciepient every month......and don't be late! they will come knocking on your door. I think this system would open some eyes and change some attitudes real quick.
A side note, while we are at it, tax day should be moved from April to Nov 1st (a week before election day)
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What is that sucking sound?
While you're at it, let's not forget to get rid of farm subsidies, oil company subsidies and other forms of CORPORATE welfare. If you can't run a business well enough to STAY in business, you shouldn't BE in business.
There goes AMTRAK.
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I've never been a racist. I don't like the white half either.
I was on welfare once about 30 yrs ago.....for about 3 wks. I had move from one location to another for work. So I heard at the time from someone at the bar I could receive assistance provided that I could prove I was waiting for a job to start up....
You're unemployed, eligible for welfare, but you're sitting in a bar learning from another bar patron about how you too can qualify for welfare? Unless you both were in there responding to a "Help Wanted" sign on the door, I think you just made a good argument for how screwed up our welfare system is.
You’re not to bright are you!
For starters, wasn’t welfare designed around helping an individual out on a temporary bases? Three weeks, isn’t that temporary?
In my case I had just traveled about 800 miles to register for a tree felling job which was to start up as soon as winter thaw had left the ground. My position with the logging company was confirmed via several phone conversations and all I had to do was report on a given date at a given time, which I did....the job was filled by me. As it turned out the actual job didn’t start for another 3 wks. .....thaw was slow in leaving the ground. Given the conditions I could have sat for a few days or 5-6-7 wks? Mother nature was the boss.
Isn’t welfare designed around tying an individual over between jobs....hence why I applied. Hang me for sitting in a bar for having a beer or three.....I had zero guilt! I was a case in point on why the system was put into place, I was not an example of what is wrong with the system.
Next off, who said anything about the person I was talking to in the bar being on welfare "too"? I know I didn’t!
While you're at it, let's not forget to get rid of farm subsidies,
IMO I don't think you or anyone else would like the price of food IF the government didn't subsidize the farmer! The price per bushel, per lb hasn't gone up much in the past 20-25 years, in fact in many cases it is down!
Probably in fact there isn't a farmer around that couldn't survive if they weren't subsidized.
My Solution For Welfare 
