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The point is to keep welfare recipients from re-electing the very people who they know will continue to enable them.
Very good point. But that is hard to do when the very people running for re-election sends buses to the projects or the north side of the track to pick the "voters" up and bring them to the polls.
Did I mention that free chicken, drinks, and sometimes money are given to the riders. That's your typical welfare recipient. Its so nice to know where some of my tax dollars are going.
I'll take a x-mas card as well!!
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Coork, I'm glad to hear NC changed their food stamps from paper to plastic, but do you know if they or any other state require ID when using them? I was just wondering if it really makes a difference where fraud is concerned if no ID is required.
As for the figures you listed in your post, it would seem at a quick glance that folks are or at least were receiving about $1,000 per month for food stamps. That seems pretty generous to me.
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Wow, can you just see the lawsuits if people had to comply to working in peoples yard or whatever to get assistance? Or basically have a government say how they're going to live? Have them tell you you can't do or drink something that is legal for the rest of Americans? So much for freedom, huh? Hell, even prison inmates get cable (not that I would know firsthand). Free country, period. The person getting into that caddy might have bought those stamps. That's a big thing in Detroit. You can sell those things all over the place. Boils down to it, no one likes paying for it. I know I'd rather be where I'm at in life than where they are.
Gee Trey, don't you have enough in life? Now you feel that those on welfare should do your work that you don't want to do? Do they have to say "yes 'em boss" as well?
Sorry you got screwed out of your maid chief.
Maybe someday you'll lose that attitude that people are beneath you. I doubt it though.
you evidently didn't grasp the sarcasm in my post, I am not really considering enslaving folks to get my yard raked. My whole point is this. Yes we as citizens of the US are entitled to certain rights, this is a given. One of these rights is the pursuit of happiness. None of these rights are a free ride. At a certain point, IMO, major stipulations must be placed on EVERYONE who is a long term recipient of public funds. The whole point of the various programs are to make sure that no children starve due to their parents not having jobs, to help people get off their feet during tough times, and to insure that the disabled have a way of surviving. That said, it is my opinion, that if you receive such assistance, you should also have to agree to conditions to continue to receive assistance. Most importantly, you should be subject to random drug testing at any given time. If you can afford drugs, you can afford food. Also, certain luxury items should be eliminated from your lifestyle, they will be there for you when you are once again self sustaining, if that ever happens. No luxury cars, no big screen TV's, no premium cable packages, no $200 shoes, ect. IMO this is not infringing on anyones rights, in any way racist, or even remotely offensive. It is sad indeed that such elementary budget schooling is required for grown adults, but if that is what it takes to lesson the burden on society, so be it. The bottom line IMO, if you are looking for a free ride, and not willing to help yourself, and worse yet willing to leave the wellbeing of your family to others and the government, then f%*k you, your life should indeed be miserable and have absolutely no luxuries. The rest of us work way to hard to put up with your bullsh!t.
Well the good news is that all the absolute welfare cheats in the
country aren't stealing half the money that half the TAX CHEATS
are!
Welfare money to families in need isn't busting the federal budget.
In a society where prison inmates have cable TV you can't tell me that
law abiding people in hard times can't watch it too!
As far as your individual buying food with stamps and then boarding his CADDY...
Sounds like he's making it work for him!
Looks like you're jealous to me.
On the surface it looks fishy to me too!
Remember though, that you don't know his exact situation.
Of all the government waste there is, welfare cheating is a mere fraction!
But it does make a pretty good scape goat to distract folks from the real
wasted $$$
At a certain point, IMO, major stipulations must be placed on EVERYONE who is a long term recipient of public funds. The whole point of the various programs are to make sure that no children starve due to their parents not having jobs, to help people get off their feet during tough times, and to insure that the disabled have a way of surviving. That said, it is my opinion, that if you receive such assistance, you should also have to agree to conditions to continue to receive assistance. Most importantly, you should be subject to random drug testing at any given time. If you can afford drugs, you can afford food. Also, certain luxury items should be eliminated from your lifestyle, they will be there for you when you are once again self sustaining, if that ever happens. No luxury cars, no big screen TV's, no premium cable packages, no $200 shoes, ect. [/quote]
Guess we need to do that to all the people that run our goverment or work for it too!
The sad thing is,take a serviceman,married and with two kids.They have to apply for welfare.Now that really sucks just to make ends meet.
As far as your individual buying food with stamps and then boarding his CADDY...
Sounds like he's making it work for him!
Looks like you're jealous to me.
On the surface it looks fishy to me too!
Remember though, that you don't know his exact situation.
Of all the government waste there is, welfare cheating is a mere fraction!
But it does make a pretty good scape goat to distract folks from the real wasted $$$
I fully agree, tax fraud should not be tollerated, however there is a huge differience IMO between tax fraud, and using every loophold in the tax code to keep as much of the money that you EARNED as possible. To commit fraud or stretch the legal limits to get free money, at least in my opinion is much worse. If you have the ability to work, and didn't work for the money, and "make the system work for you," you are completely Unamerican, and a real POS in my book.
Ok, I will be completely honest, this post was completely inspired by a bar conversation, which occurred after leaving a local store, where I saw an individual purchasing food items on food stamps then proceed to the parking lot and get into a new body style Escalade. To top it off, I had today gotten paid today and looked at my pay stub to find out that I have so far this year had enough taken out of my check to pay for a full time housekeeper. So here goes.
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Please clarify what kind of food stamps that you are talking about.. Was it paper items like dollar bills?
Unless things have changed, yes, food stamps are paper items. There is no question they are sold on the streets and enable some folks to buy drugs while the buyers get a heck of a deal on some groceries.
I do not know about other states, but in North Carolina food stamps were eliminated years ago to reduce fraud. EBT card is used instead. Thread similar to this was posted on another web site in North Carolina, person that started thread was complaining about food stamps, subsidized housing and other programs. Only problem was that person was incorrect about administration of the programs and was exposed as a fraud.
The welfare reform act of 1996 required all States to convert to EBT issuance for their food stamp programs by October 2002.)
autobaun70 Question remains unanswered, were paper food stamps used ?
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No, it was an ebt card, green plastic card, just like a CC, I don't think they even have paper food stamps anymore, I haven't seen any in quite a while anyway.
Point is the user could have been helping someone out. I carry two elderly people to the grocery store at least twice a month. I do not drive a Caddy, but use either a GMC Jimmy, or a Tahoe to transport them. On more than one occasion they have returned to vehicle exhausted after shopping and I have checked out their purchases for them. Could easily be construed as someone taking advantage of the system. I was insulted by a former employee that I fired on a trip last year when he saw me using a EBT card. He enjoyed loud talking about how the mighty had fallen to using food stamps. I took the abuse without comment and handed the card to the elderly lady waiting at the door with the idiot following me. Could heard heard a pin drop. I try to make a difference by helping people instead of complaining about every injustice that I perceive.
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certain luxury items should be eliminated from your lifestyle, they will be there for you when you are once again self sustaining, if that ever happens. No luxury cars, no big screen TV's, no premium cable packages, no $200 shoes, ect. IMO this is not infringing on anyones rights, in any way racist, or even remotely offensive.
I will say this; I do agree on drug testing. However, to tell someone they cannot have certain shoes, cars, you can't have cable, or bigscreens etc.. IS in fact infringing on ones rights. The government cannot tell someone what they can or can not do. As long as they are abiding by the laws that every other citizen are abiding to.
Now, what would be nice is if the government cycle some of their no so great employees out of the system. Have them at the same standards as civilian jobs. I say give some of the welfare folks cycle through those jobs. You never know, that might just give some of those folks the jump start they need. If they don't work out get rid of them. There has to be some good ones in the bunch right? Maybe some positive enforcement in their lives might work.
why can we not? I'm not saying that someone should have that stuff taken from them when they go on welfare, but they sure as heck shouldn't be allowed to purchase them after they go on welfare. If you have your hand out for assistance of any kind, be it governmental or otherwise, you have no need for a plasma screen TV or michael jordan basketball shoes. I have absolutely no problem with them having some basic luxuries, but to have every glamerous luxury they offer at the local mall while on welfare is assinine.
How would you like it if someone said you can't buy an Accurate reel because you qualify for an income tax credit that only poor people qualify for? What if you own a business that manufactures these items that you don't think these people should own? Think they should lose money as well? So what if they want a certain pair of shoes? What gives anyone the right to tell them what to buy? If they aren't breaking any laws, then who cares? What do you think would happen if they don't get assistance? I'm curious your take on that. You think they'd get jobs then? If yes, then what kind of jobs would they get? I know MI don't have too many jobs available due to our recession. The government is giving them food and a few bucks to live off of. With what they recieve I highly doubt it's enough to buy an Escalade. If in fact it was their vehicle, I'm willing to bet they're getting THAT money from another source.
Didn't they actually try that in NC 50 or so years ago?
If they did, I was to young to remember it but IF they did, IT DID NOT WORK!!!!!!!!!!
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cerichcreek - 11/30/2007 6:58 PM Do you realize that birth control pills are considered "luxury drugs" and not covered ... by Medicaid or whatever medical coverage there is on welfare?
No. Since when?
Since forever. Unless something has changed VERY recently. You see, the RightWingers dont want birth control covered under thenotion that providing birth control will encourage unmarrieds to have sex. Well, they are going to have sex anyway but without birth control they are also going to have babies.
2002:
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Erections Get Insurance; Why Not the Pill?Women See Progress in Getting Birth Control Covered by Health InsuranceBy GERALDINE SEALEY
June 19, 2002
Within weeks of hitting the U.S. market in 1998, more than half of Viagra prescriptions received health insurance coverage. If many women weren't already outraged that they had to pay for birth control out of pocket, they were infuriated at the preference given to the anti-impotence pills.
But the fury over Viagra may have given the fight for contraception covered under insurance plans just the momentum it needed. Women's groups say they're making significant progress in their battle to get reimbursed for birth control, even though insurers still argue that covering contraception will boost already skyrocketing health-care premiums.
2006
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Health Insurance and Women's Interest: Are Your Birth Control Pills Covered?
By Elizabeth Newberry
...Unfortunately, there are still health insurance companies out there that don’t offer certain health care coverage specific to women’s interest – namely, birth control pills.
Birth control pills can also help with other health concerns of women’s interest such as helping to prevent ovarian and uterine cancers, as well as pelvic inflammatory disease. Still, many health insurance companies do not offer coverage for birth control pills in their policies.
I did a quick search and found that contraceptive coverage by Medicaid or similar health programs varies by state and is not consistent nationwide.
pugnacious33 - 11/30/2007 7:40 AM Here is my solution: Mandatory drug testing for all WF recipients. If anyone on WF has a child while on WF, they will be immediately taken off WF. Anyone on any type of WF will not be allowed to vote until they get themselves off of it.
let's see:
You are assuming that all WF recipients are drug addicts.
**anyone on WF who has a previous drug arrest record should be randomly drug tested.
You are assuming that there is some reliable method for women on welfare to prevent pregnancy. Do you realize that birth control pills are considered "luxury drugs" and not covered by insurance companies and therefore not by Medicaid or whatever medical coverage there is on welfare? Sponge is too expensive. That leaves the woman trying to convince her partner to use a condom. Yeah, right. OH, I see people on welfare should not have sex at all. Silly me.
**free birth control should be available to those on WF if you want to keep the birth rate down. and for heaven's sake DONT take away the TV!! That will just increase thebirth rate.
You want to treat WF recipients like criminals and take away the right to vote. Yep, I'm sure that would be a real incentive to get off WF.
**the last one is just stupid.
You're obviously not very intelligent. The point is to ensure that responsible taxpayers aren't supporting druggies. The point is to keep women from having more babies just so they can remain on the system. The point is to keep welfare recipients from re-electing the very people who they know will continue to enable them.
I'm not too bright? You are the one making the assumptions there. How many welfare recipients or low income families do you know? Majority are uneducated and DO NOT VOTE.
How would you like it if someone said you can't buy an Accurate reel because you qualify for an income tax credit that only poor people qualify for? What if you own a business that manufactures these items that you don't think these people should own? Think they should lose money as well? So what if they want a certain pair of shoes? What gives anyone the right to tell them what to buy? If they aren't breaking any laws, then who cares? What do you think would happen if they don't get assistance? I'm curious your take on that. You think they'd get jobs then? If yes, then what kind of jobs would they get? I know MI don't have too many jobs available due to our recession. The government is giving them food and a few bucks to live off of. With what they recieve I highly doubt it's enough to buy an Escalade. If in fact it was their vehicle, I'm willing to bet they're getting THAT money from another source.
Honestly, if I ever reach that point in life, I would hope that all of my focus would be surviving for the time being, and doing everything in my power to change my current situation. That in itself can be a full time job, and should be. It is pathetic IMO for someone to be satisfied with living off of the sweat and hard work of the rest of society if there is something that they can do to change their plight. To live like that is a burden on us all, and should be completely unacceptable.
What makes me sick is all of these teenage girls running around slinging that stuff while their parents don't give a dam, then getting pregnant. In GA, it is much easier for a 15 year old pregnant girl to get FREE healthcare than some 65 year old elderly person who can't work, who can't make ends meet, due to the drastically increasing price of life. These girls who don't name their partners can get medicaid, EBT cards and the works. Some elderly person has to choose between eating and buying their medicine. This is truly a simple problem to solve, but as I stated in another thread, we do not have anyone in govt with the courage to take on the harsh realities we face. It is like a running water spigot, just turn it off. You cannot count on people who know nothing but welfare to ever have any ambition to do any better.
On the note about farmers & oil company subsidies. They should have been stopped a long time ago. If we did not import all the cheap farm products from south america & asia, then the farmers could get fair market value for their products. On top of that, the farmers have gotten just as greedy as the oil companies. When various vegetable oils used to be cheap, then talk of biodiesel & such came along, the prices of vegetable oils has skyrocketed. there is no need to try to solve all our problems in one post, but i will throw a few thoughts out there. Stop importing anything from any Communist or nuclear weaponized countries. Give jobs back to the American workers. Build a fence or do whatever it takes to stop mexicans from entering this country illegally, who also suck up from the welfare system. Shoot them if necessary. Kill a few stop a bunch, much like using the death penalty. Do away with Nafta & any FREE Trade . All of these freebies for other countries have come at the cost of the American workers, and has caused many more people to be on welfare that normally wouldn't be. I would go on, but I am going to work, to pay for some welfare recipients steaks they are going to grill while they watch football on their 50" Plasma screen TV.
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I am all for welfare , just PROVE to us that you need it.
And the more children you have out of wedlock THE LESS YOU GET ,
Auto and I are tired of supporting the babie factories that are 5th and 6th generation welfare leaches.
Auto , I'm with 'ya man.
Wish I could work for CASH and F'um all.
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Re: My Solution For Welfare 
By GERALDINE SEALEY
