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Old 10-03-2013, 05:57 PM
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"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."

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"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."

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Way to go TJ. thats a nice statement
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All the charter boats had to find other docks to conduct business. Who's going to reimburse them for the extra cost?$ The Obama govt is stuck on stupid and is functioning as it was designed. I can not believe that he has been using the IRS to wage a war on any Non liberals and there is no outrage except for a few congressmen.
He even Audited the famous black Doctor Ben Carson for 3 years after he riled Obama at a white house prayer get together?
It will not get better until it gets so bad that theres no choice but to tare it down. And start over. Be careful. thats when someone very bad could slip in and make it even worse.

God help the patriotic hardworking USA citizens.
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Make a big statement by spending money to shut down parks and ramps while the free phones remain essential to the non working freeloaders. Makes me sick... I was proud to serve this country for years in the USMC.. I can remember serving under Col Oliver North for a short time and I was more than willing to die for this country. I would have followed him into HELL if I needed to because he was the only person who I knew could get us back out..

Now we are being run into the ground.. I just cant believe we, as a country, voted that man back into the white house. All the folks getting and wanting to receive more free stuff will keep him and his kind there running this country. God please bless this country.
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If Pat McCrory wants to be one of the greatest govs in NC history, he should mobilize all forces at his command and forcefully reopen all national parks in the state.

Dare the feds to try and close them again. This is our state and we want it back !!

Then go on national tv and paraphrase a qoute on Capt Wilde's thread.

Mr Obama, we can settle this with guns,fist,knives or kind words. Your choice !
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No but the house does have the right not to fund any bill they wish. That is why you have checks and balances between the the house an senate.
Precisely...the shutdown is exactly how it works.
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Old 10-04-2013, 06:27 AM
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While the shutdown is a PITA I'm glad the conservatives finally dug their heels in and stood up for whats right. Not funding Obamacare is the best thing for the country, unfortunately the uneducated 51% won't see it that way because they can't read between the lines with all the nonsense the media puts out.

All of em better not stay out of office for too long, the people will realize how unnecassasry and wasteful federal governent really is, if we governed at the state level I personally feel we'd all be better off.
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Well said Capt. I would like to add that the results are what matter red or blue spin does nothing to resolve much less identify the problem. Our system may be plagued with inefficiency, and corruption, but at what point do we properly identify those responsible ? It seems we have that opportunity every 2 years not every 4. So if you are unhappy about your boat ramp being closed etc. own your responsibilities first. Tea anyone.? Or as the saying goes "you broke it you bought it!"
Ignorance alive and well......maybe as a lib you need govt bureaucrats to help you use a ramp or walk a beach....the adults among us do not require such help.
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This is another way of looking at the bill too. This was the first time that every single American has been told to buy anything for the sake of breathing the air inside the borders of the U.S. If you think that's not over reaching, then what if the bill said that everyone had to buy a gun and carry it around with them to protect them or else they would be fined?
You are fixated on your opinions. I don't disagree with them. I am in favor of the shutdown as a constitutionally legitimate part of the governing process.

I am responding only to the commented notion that there has been a constitutional violation, and that constitutional purism would fix our problems.

The constitutionally mandated processes for legislation and legal review have been and are being followed.
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Got back from Hatteras last night. I was surprised how many ramps to the beach were closed due to gooberment shutdown. Even some of the small paths to the sound side were closed and blocked. There were a few open, but the majority seemed to be blocked. Seems like a big waste of money to create the signs and have someone post and block all the entrances, not to mention remove them all when reopening. Maybe the tree huggers will get upset when they find out how many trees were killed to post closed signs for the shutdown.

When I passed OIFC around 6 last night, there were only 5 boats docked. Looked kinda sad. On a different note, PC looked fuller than I have ever seen it. I shoulda walked the docks and looked at all those purty boats.
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The parks are the peoples.... so give them back to the people
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Well said Capt. I would like to add that the results are what matter red or blue spin does nothing to resolve much less identify the problem. Our system may be plagued with inefficiency, and corruption, but at what point do we properly identify those responsible ? It seems we have that opportunity every 2 years not every 4. So if you are unhappy about your boat ramp being closed etc. own your responsibilities first. Tea anyone.? Or as the saying goes "you broke it you bought it!"
Hmmm...I think the point is that the Executive branch, led by the POTUS and his cabinet, are making specific "shutdown" decisions specifically to enrage the population using these national assets.

The imbecilic logic of putting a chain across a boat ramp previously open 24 hours per day 365 days per year is transparent nonsense. Here in the DC area they have roped shut the paved pullouts on the GW Parkway. Had to go to a lot of extra effort to come up with that one.
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You are fixated on your opinions. I don't disagree with them. I am in favor of the shutdown as a constitutionally legitimate part of the governing process.

I am responding only to the commented notion that there has been a constitutional violation, and that constitutional purism would fix our problems.

The constitutionally mandated processes for legislation and legal review have been and are being followed.
Well the review process ending up at the Supreme Court should have begun in the inception of the bill. The checks and balances and the procedures to pass such bills were violated. If you need to refresh your memory, look it up. The bill was not a budget bill in any form, and when Scott Brown was elected, the democrats that controlled both parts of congress said screw it, we shall go in the back door, Member?

Unfortunately the country has a leader that has shown that he does not care about what the practices and traditions of the country is with many of his edicts. He has spoken about his disdain for the constitution long before he was elected as pres.

In the area of the HC bill, this did begin when the democrat leadership, approved by the pres from previous comments before he came to power bypassed normal order. This is well known and well established policy. Ignore it if you like, but that will not go away even with the quest for one man one party rule like we are seeing just in this one shutdown.


The burden is on the back of a pres that is supposed to be an arbitrator of reason when conflicts enters the stage. What has he said in this instance? The finger has been given to the country's traditions.


I will say it again, we live in a constitutional republic where a representative congress calls the shots, not just one party or one person. We know that this policy exists in dictatorships.
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"When I passed OIFC around 6 last night, there were only 5 boats docked."

Hope they dont shut off the shore power to pump the bilges
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I will remind some of you guys too that the individuals are being screwed in the implementation of this bill, while the pres has just out of the blue rewrote parts of the bill. The subsidizes that's also being provided under his edicts goes to people that are not indigent either. To see partisans support this is really telling, after all the rhetoric about fairness and the evil big businesses that continues to flow from the dems.

The dems are actually denying healthcare to veterans now when they refuse to fund the VA. We know how low they went to shut out the WWII veterans from the otherwise open memorials, in an attempt to get their way. They do not care about the military in general, and its there for the country to see now.
Oh well, nuff, gotta go boating.
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...The checks and balances and the procedures to pass such bills were violated. ...
Make it easy on me...please point me to the constitutional clauses that you believe were violated. For the life of me, being intimately familiar with the text of the constitution, I can't find them.

I suspect that if there is even a scintilla of unconstitutionality in the process it will be challenged vigorously by an energetic opposition, of which you are clearly a member. I will look forward to it and its successful outcome.
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Make it easy on me...please point me to the constitutional clauses that you believe were violated. For the life of me, being intimately familiar with the text of the constitution, I can't find them.

I suspect that if there is even a scintilla of unconstitutionality in the process it will be challenged vigorously by an energetic opposition, of which you are clearly a member. I will look forward to it and its successful outcome.
In general because I do not have the time to explain the events as it played out with democrats controlling both houses of congress at the time, just read this simpleton's link that actually addresses what took place and actually addresses the issues of simple majority votes on any bills.


http://www.legis.nd.gov/assembly/61-...0appendixd.pdf
Not only was their numerous payoffs to get the votes that went against the equal protection clause which should have never been allowed in the bill, the provisions after the fact got ripped out of the bill. The bill then was passed as a budget bill, but has little to do with the national budget in regards to funding the goings on of the country.

A lot went into getting the bill passed by one party rule and numerous end arounds that took place. Sorry, this HC has hurt the very ones that it was supposed to help, and we have not even addressed the problems and damage done to the providers. Its only going to get worse.
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Scratch...not a single syllable of your attachment indicates a constitutional flaw.
Have a good day fishing.
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