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C. Edmund 07-15-2013 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by yardpro (Post 5823898)
the douchebag was tweeting like nothing ever happened... what a jerkoff

I saw that....didn't believe it was the same guy at first - even though the name was the same and he was from NC. What an ass. Needs a big time lesson.

pokeytwins 07-15-2013 09:28 PM

he'll get it;

C. Edmund 07-15-2013 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pokeytwins (Post 5824293)
he'll get it;

Speaking of which, if it is this same guy, he was tweeting earlier today about showering with a couple of young ladies...I think maybe ECU co eds. Methinks he'll be showering with quite a different universe for many years to come.....:o:o

Scratchnsaw 07-16-2013 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw gunner (Post 5823943)
i hope the god damn mother fucker rots

Well as with everything in life, there are two sides to every story. The country has just finished witnessing this in the zim trial too. Think a wee bit about that too while in a moment of haste to post your hostile response. The charge is involuntary manslaughter. Read up on what constitutes the charge. Its quite possible that this event involved serious alcohol and even a hit to the head on a piling after falling during the simplest of altercations, which can create a situation that in part led to the death too. I don't have the actual chain of events or even the severity of the events. But that charge does not say complete and deliberate malicious actions.

I know Steve and the family and watched Steve grow up and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that he never displayed an evil bone in his body. He was what many people knew as a gentle giant. So I will await all the evidence, but he was a long ways from being a douche bag sir. I can list a very long list of douche bags in this country and he is not one of them.

Let me help you here. In general,,
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...y+Manslaughter

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The act of unlawfully killing another human being unintentionally.
Most unintentional killings are not murder but involuntary manslaughter. The absence of the element of intent is the key distinguishing factor between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter. In most states involuntary manslaughter results from an improper use of reasonable care or skill while performing a legal act, or while committing an act that is unlawful but not felonious.
Many states do not define involuntary manslaughter, or define it vaguely in common-law terms. Some jurisdictions describe the amount of Negligence necessary to constitute manslaughter with terms such as criminal negligence, gross negligence, and culpable negligence. The only certainty that can be attached to these terms is that they require more than the ordinary negligence standard in a civil case. With this approach the state does not have to prove that the defendant was aware of the risk.
Other jurisdictions apply more subjective tests, such as "reckless" or "wanton," to describe the amount of negligence needed to constitute involuntary manslaughter. In this approach the defendant must have personally appreciated a risk and then chosen to take it anyway.
There are two types of involuntary manslaughter statutes: criminally negligent manslaughter and unlawful act manslaughter. Criminally negligent manslaughter occurs when death results from a high degree of negligence or recklessness. Modern criminal codes generally require a consciousness of risk and under some codes the absence of this element makes the offense a less serious Homicide.
An omission to act or a failure to perform a duty constitutes criminally negligent manslaughter. The existence of the duty is essential. Since the law does not recognize that an ordinary person has a duty to aid or rescue another in distress, a death resulting from an ordinary person's failure to act is not manslaughter. On the other hand, an omission by someone who has a duty, such as a failure to attempt to save a drowning person by a lifeguard, might constitute involuntary manslaughter.
In many jurisdictions death that results from the operation of a vehicle in a criminally negligent manner is punishable as a separate offense. Usually it is considered a less severe offense than involuntary manslaughter. These jurisdictions usually call the offense reckless homicide, negligent homicide, or vehicular homicide. One reason for this lesser offense is the reluctance of juries to convict automobile drivers of manslaughter.
Unlawful act manslaughter occurs when someone causes a death while committing or attempting to commit an unlawful act, usually a misdemeanor. Some states distinguish between conduct that is malum in se (bad in itself) and conduct that is malum prohibitum (bad because it is prohibited by law). Conduct that is malum in se is based on common-law definitions of crime; for example, an Assault and Battery could be classified as malum in se. Acts that are made illegal by legislation—for example, reckless driving—are malum prohibitum. In states that use this distinction, an act must be malum in se to constitute manslaughter. If an act is malum prohibitum, it is not manslaughter unless the person who committed it could have foreseen that death would be a direct result of the act.
In other states this distinction is not made. If death results from an unlawful act, the person who committed the act may be prosecuted for involuntary manslaughter even if the act was malum prohibitum. Courts will uphold unlawful act manslaughter where the statute was intended to prevent injury to another person.
Now I have no control over your personal anger and ill will, and will not argue with irrational responses. Life is full of unfortunate events, and happens every single day on the nations highways too. But we do not lynch people or allow individuals to do so in the public square anymore either.

swflexpat 07-16-2013 06:47 AM

So many lives ruined over something so trivial as throwing a bottle in the water ... tragic.

RK-AL 07-16-2013 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Scratchnsaw (Post 5824621)
Well as with everything in life, there are two sides to every story. The country has just finished witnessing this in the zim trial too. Think a wee bit about that too while in a moment of haste to post your hostile response. The charge is involuntary manslaughter. Read up on what constitutes the charge. Its quite possible that this event involved serious alcohol and even a hit to the head on a piling after falling during the simplest of altercations, which can create a situation that in part led to the death too. I don't have the actual chain of events or even the severity of the events. But that charge does not say complete and deliberate malicious actions.

I know Steve and the family and watched Steve grow up and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that he never displayed an evil bone in his body. He was what many people knew as a gentle giant. So I will await all the evidence, but he was a long ways from being a douche bag sir. I can list a very long list of douche bags in this country and he is not one of them.

Let me help you here. In general,,
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...y+Manslaughter


Now I have no control over your personal anger and ill will, and will not argue with irrational responses. Life is full of unfortunate events, and happens every single day on the nations highways too. But we do not lynch people or allow individuals to do so in the public square anymore either.

Just like a drunk driver that is a "good person" we are all held responsible for our actions. I can't help reacting to the tweets that "TheGomola" put out 2 days after the death like I would to a drunk driver responsible for a death by hit and run that has no idea he was even cause of.

@ Scratchnsaw. u know him and want to defend him. Read his twitter feed and respond to it. Less than 2 weeks after he was involved in an altercation resulting the the death of other with alcohol undoubtedly contributing to it, sounds like he had "one hell of a weekend boys!" Think u might have found him out partying or at the movies?

A little respect goes a long way and by the look of the "douche-bag" tweets by Stevee, he will end up lynching himself.

jeffro22 07-16-2013 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RK-AL (Post 5824778)
Just like a drunk driver that is a "good person" we are all held responsible for our actions. I can't help reacting to the tweets that "TheGomola" put out 2 days after the death like I would to a drunk driver responsible for a death by hit and run that has no idea he was even cause of.

@ Scratchnsaw. u know him and want to defend him. Read his twitter feed and respond to it. Less than 2 weeks after he was involved in an altercation resulting the the death of other with alcohol undoubtedly contributing to it, sounds like he had "one hell of a weekend boys!" Think u might have found him out partying or at the movies?

A little respect goes a long way and by the look of the "douche-bag" tweets by Stevee, he will end up lynching himself.

agreed

Scratchnsaw 07-16-2013 07:09 AM

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@ Scratchnsaw. u know him and want to defend him. Read his twitter feed and respond to it. Less than 2 weeks after he was involved in an altercation resulting the the death of other with alcohol undoubtedly contributing to it, sounds like he had "one hell of a weekend boys!" Think u might have found him out partying or at the movies?
Well context is everything. Do you actually know what he was speaking about when he spoke about having a good weekend? My meaning of defending him and your meaning of defending him appears to be 180.

He is an adult and I personally have no control over his personal actions anymore now than I did in his minor years or than I had control over the drunk driver that hit me head on with my own son in the vehicle when his licenses had been permanently revoked with. But he is not a douche bag and the charges do not reflect it either. Of course I must remind you that we had millions of citizens look the other way or defend a whore mongering pres , which is truly a douche bag by a lot of standards applied to people's conduct.

RK-AL 07-16-2013 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Scratchnsaw (Post 5824807)
Well context is everything. Do you actually know what he was speaking about when he spoke about having a good weekend? My meaning of defending him and your meaning of defending him appears to be 180.

He is an adult and I personally have no control over his personal actions anymore now than I did in his minor years or than I had control over the drunk driver that hit me head on with my own son in the vehicle when his licenses had been permanently revoked with. But he is not a douche bag and the charges do not reflect it either. YMMV

Stevee or the drunk driver that hit u head on? I'm confused.

Scratchnsaw 07-16-2013 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RK-AL (Post 5824811)
Stevee or the drunk driver that hit u head on? I'm confused.

I have or had no control over events that lead up to either one, the drunk driver or the events that lead to the involuntary manslaughter charge. Reading some of the replies here, you would think that not even a first degree murder charge and a trial would be accepted here by some of you folks. I guess you carry around ropes with specially designed loops in them these days, right? I will await to hear about the chain of events as more facts come out, and not just a bunch of snippits or sound bites, so to speak. I think the waiting period for gun purchases is a good thing for some of you guys too. ;<}Carry on,

MAXIMUM B 07-16-2013 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Scratchnsaw (Post 5824621)
Well as with everything in life, there are two sides to every story. The country has just finished witnessing this in the zim trial too. Think a wee bit about that too while in a moment of haste to post your hostile response. The charge is involuntary manslaughter. Read up on what constitutes the charge. Its quite possible that this event involved serious alcohol and even a hit to the head on a piling after falling during the simplest of altercations, which can create a situation that in part led to the death too. I don't have the actual chain of events or even the severity of the events. But that charge does not say complete and deliberate malicious actions.

I know Steve and the family and watched Steve grow up and I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that he never displayed an evil bone in his body. He was what many people knew as a gentle giant. So I will await all the evidence, but he was a long ways from being a douche bag sir. I can list a very long list of douche bags in this country and he is not one of them.

Let me help you here. In general,,
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...y+Manslaughter


Now I have no control over your personal anger and ill will, and will not argue with irrational responses. Life is full of unfortunate events, and happens every single day on the nations highways too. But we do not lynch people or allow individuals to do so in the public square anymore either.

Can you eplain what that means?

nccoaster 07-16-2013 08:20 AM

When I saw him out the other night at a local bar and grill, Stephen seemed to be having a great time with friends.

At the time, I did not know who he was. But he closely resembles a family friend and wife commented on his imposing statue.

C. Edmund 07-16-2013 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Scratchnsaw (Post 5824858)
I have or had no control over events that lead up to either one, the drunk driver or the events that lead to the involuntary manslaughter charge.<}Carry on,

But you damned sure have control over how you defend him, on a forum where the victim has at least one close friend. Your over the top defense in light of his twitter feed and the significant number eye witness accounts is dubious...as the twitter feed alone demonstates incredible callousness....and your analogy with Zimmerman is just absurd beyond description.

Scratchnsaw 07-16-2013 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by C. Edmund (Post 5825234)
But you damned sure have control over how you defend him, on a forum where the victim has at least one close friend. Your over the top defense in light of his twitter feed and the significant number eye witness accounts is dubious...as the twitter feed alone demonstates incredible callousness....and your analogy with Zimmerman is just absurd beyond description.

Do you ever get tired of frailing your arms into the air?
Did a Tweeter snippit directly reflect the point that he had a good time over some weekend after being part of a death? By all means provide the content that clearly states that he was actually speaking about the death. I doubt it, but the inference was and is there, [read the posts] when you take small bits and pieces and twist them to a particular and I must add a slanted point that posters have attempted to create. Did I defend him being part of the event? No, I have also followed up by saying that I look forward to learning more.

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Can you eplain what that means?
Yes, after being in and around the water all of my life, literally thousands of people have been seriously injured by simply falling off of a dock and hitting their head the side of a boat and becoming unable to recover, most times knocked unconscious no matter how the event comes about. That's just one example.

On a side note, did you follow the events of the kayaker this early spring that drowned while being all by himself enjoying the water too and he was honored during the MAD event just this year? Who would you like to blame for that one sir? Stuff happens.
Heck as a side note locally we had a wife of one of the most well known runners riding her bike when she ran straight into a rear view mirror and became completely paralyzed and in a wheel chair never to recover again to walk. There are numerous instances where accidents happens. Calling people douche bags only makes you look foolish if your interest is to discuss the events and the case.
This charge is involuntary manslaughter at this point after the initial investigation, end of story unless you have other information that reflects deliberate intent to harm the fallen individual.


Again I will await more information on this event when ALL the facts come out. The charges do not reflect malicious intent sir, and I stand behind my statements. You and many others are free to hang anyone you wish at this point. Thankfully this country no longer renders justice in that manner. As time goes on we will learn more and then we can speak about this case with an educated thought here.

nccoaster 07-16-2013 11:06 AM

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A district attorney says they have evidence that shows a suspect struck a man two or three times before the victim fell into the water and died.
Morehead City Police Chief Wrenn Johnson says 23-year-old Stephen Gomola of Morehead City has been charged with involuntary manslaughter in the death of 23-year-old Stephen Johnson of Dunn.


Dive teams recovered Johnson's body in the water outside Jack's Waterfront Bar.
Authorities say he died from injuries following an altercation the night of July 4th.


D.A. Scott Thomas says based on surveillance video and interviews, they say Gormola hit Johnson two or three times before the man fell into the water. Thomas says it doesn't seem like the two knew each other, that they just happened to be at the same place.
It was Mr. Gomola's choice to hit the other man two or three times. Now he will pay for a choice that he made, while Stephen Johnson paid with his life. Alcohol may have been involved, but that doesn't mitigate the fact that Mr. Gomola is responsible for the death of another human.

Scratch, you never had any control of Mr. Gomola or a drunk driver. But we, as a society, try to control these actions. When it directly impacts others, we have rules and laws that punish people for bad choices.*



On a side note, I don't know either of the people involved, but there are people on this board that knew the victim. They have lost a friend.


*except that damn seatbelt law

Scratchnsaw 07-16-2013 11:19 AM

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A. Scott Thomas says based on surveillance video and interviews, they say Gormola hit Johnson two or three times before the man fell into the water. Thomas says it doesn't seem like the two knew each other, that they just happened to be at the same place.
Read your own reference. There is a difference of falling in the water versus being pushed in the water, which was not part of the evidence from the DA. . Fist fights in bars are common. Did Steven kill the man? I contend that to date no evidence has been presented to reflect that Steven killed the man. If I wish to do so, I can project myself that the dead man was too drunk to stand up, and that may not also reflect the truth. So who is to blame here, when we know fights are common in bars and normally would not take place with the same people that are sober in the same surroundings? Until the charges are upgraded, I will accept the DA's wording and will not project any other position here, unlike what has been done in this thread.

I know that's hard to accept. But if this confrontation had occurred in a land based bar, what would have been the outcome if the deceased would have just fallen down on the floor? Would he also hit a chair or a table and generated a concussion? All speculation and not relavent,,, We will never know for sure. But to twist a tweeter snippit to infer that Steven was thumping his chest about causing a death is dishonest. YMMV

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On a side note, I don't know either of the people involved, but there are people on this board that knew the victim. They have lost a friend.
In the same manner, why the animosity to someone that speaks up in search of the middle medium,[jury's job you know] which history has proven to be more spot on to the truth?

nccoaster 07-16-2013 11:30 AM

RIF, I did not twist a tweet.

Stephen Gomola, by HIS actions, is RESPONSIBLE for Mr. Johnson's death.

You can theorize all you want to about what could of happened, but the DA said that Mr. Gomola hit Mr. Johnson 2 or 3 times and charged him accordingly.

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas?

outlaw gunner 07-16-2013 11:35 AM

I know multiple of the witnesses, they are friends and one is my sister, and they all said the the punch if what knocked Steven of the dock. I'm starting the believe that morehead city is tryin to protect one of its own

Scratchnsaw 07-16-2013 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by nccoaster (Post 5825735)
RIF, I did not twist a tweet.

Stephen Gomola, by HIS actions, is RESPONSIBLE for Mr. Johnson's death.

You can theorize all you want to about what could of happened, but the DA said that Mr. Gomola hit Mr. Johnson 2 or 3 times and charged him accordingly.

If "ifs" and "buts" were candy and nuts, wouldn't it be a Merry Christmas?

Oh I am not theorizing. The published report states:

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23-year-old Steven Ray Johnson of Dunn died as a result of injuries sustained following an altercation outside the bar July 4th around 11 p.m.
what injuries sir? This report splits the two segments up, one being the altercation and the other specifically states "following an altercation". I did not create the report, and I have a good idea that the DA has a better handle on the chain of events, hince the charges at this point.

nccoaster 07-16-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Scratchnsaw (Post 5825763)
Oh I am not theorizing. The published report states:


what injuries sir? This report splits the two segments up, one being the altercation and the other specifically states "following an altercation". I did not create the report, and I have a good idea that the DA has a better handle on the chain of events, hince the charges at this point.

Yep, I agree, the DA has a better handle on things and charged him with involuntary manslaughter. They did not write a ticket for jaywalking.


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