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Old 03-08-2005, 07:06 PM
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I just bought a Silverado 2500 HD 4x4 with a Duramax and the dealer said I needed a weighted plate but was confused as to how much weight to register it for. I told them I would tow a trailer with a weight of 7000 and they told me that the registration would have to be high enough to cover the weight of the vehicle and the towed load combined so they wrote it for 13,000. Even after all this no two people in the dealership had the same answer for what I needed,all they kept saying is that the state just changed all the rules I traded a little Tacoma and it had a car plate.
I can't find anything on the DMV site that explains the process and if I even have the right weight of the plate. Can anyone explain this procedure to me?

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Old 03-08-2005, 07:30 PM
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Get a plate rating of 15k and you should be good to go... Don't know the process.. My dealer handled the tag for me when I bought my truck last year. The weighted tag came in the mail. Maybee you should call the dealer and get them to handle it. If not go to the DMV office and tell them you need to register the vehicle at 15k for a weighted tag. and you should get a tag and a new registration for the truck....
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Old 03-08-2005, 08:35 PM
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Per NC DMV: (see http://www.ncdot.org/dmv/vehicle_ser...leteManual.pdf*)

From page 45:17., 18. Empty Weight and Combined Gross Weight – G.S. 20-52, 57, 88Gross weight is the basis for license fees for property carrying motor vehicles. Gross weight includes the empty weight of the truck or tractor, the empty weight of any trailer that is to be pulled and the maximum load that is to be transported at any time. Empty weight of vehicle plus the heaviest load to be carried including the driver. Applicant or his representative must initial declared gross weight on all title applications and weight changes.From page 165:Effective January 1, 2003 all vehicles with a declared weight of 7,000 to 26,000 will be issued a commercial plate showing the word “Weighted.”See page 169 for fees - varies by weight.
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Old 03-08-2005, 09:11 PM
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It's a revenue thing!

No one at DMV will tell you the weight to register your vehicle and you have stated the wording of the statue correctly. Technically, any DMV enforcement division officer can stop you, especially if you are towing, and have you drive onto his portable scales. If your total gross weight exceeds your "weighted registered" plate, you can be cited...a big hefty fine on the spot. In most cases within North Carolina you can mail in the fee. I have not been made aware of anyone being cited for such an infraction; the state does not have enough enforcement officers to cover all of the roadways. However, should you be involved in a serious accident, (and assuming that "you were at fault"), while towing and the gross weight of both vehicles exceeds your registered plate, you are setting yourself up for a tough insurance settlement. The state changed the licenseing to cover all commercial vehicles, plumbers, electricians, and such and they developed a formula to increase the revenue for the DMV. You will see that the greater the registered weight, the greater the fee.

Hope this helps to explain the vehicle plate change.
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I run 20,000# tags...truck is 7700# and then add what you tow plus gear and passengers (mine's a F-350) The DMV cops don't care what your truck is rated for ....only that when they have you roll on the scale pads it isn't more than your tags. Greg
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Old 03-08-2005, 09:37 PM
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You think it is hard to get two people at the dealership to come up with the same answer,Just try asking the DMV and State Hyway Patrol. After buying a 3/4 ton truck to pull my boat with I went to two different DMV offices to make sure I was getting the right tag and got the run-a-round at both places, No body was sure and told me to call the HP, They told me to call a Weight Station and ask them . I called the Weight Station on I77 at the State line and the two Officers there got into am arguement with each other over what the Law really mint.I E-Mailed the DMV from there web sight and below is the responce I got.


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Sent By: Ken Tl Date/Time: 4/12/2004 8:46:44 PM
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Sirs, I a have a 3/4 ton Ford truck that weighs about 6,000lbs and I pull a boat that weighs 3,500lbs. I buy a 10,000lbs tag each year. I see alot of trucks pulling boats with regular 4000lbs tags and I hear at work that I only need A weighted tag if I pull for someone else. Do I really need the 10,000lbs or can I go with the 4,00lbs one? Thanks,Ken Tl

License_Plate_Number: CF5
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Sent By: DMV (Vehicle Registration) Date/Time: 4/13/2004 10:58:36 AM
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Your shipping weight of your vehicle is 5635, so therefore you are required to declare at least 6000lbs. Please be aware that this should include the occupants and anything that you would haul on this vehicle. You are not required to include the weight of the trailer because are required to be licensed as well with a plate. I would suggest that you at least declare 7000lbs. Thanks
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Sent By: Ken Tl Date/Time: 4/27/2004 9:47:46 PM
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I printed your response and showed it to a weigh station officer and he told me it is incorrect. He said I need to get the Statute number that says I don't need to add the weight of the boat to the truck weight. I am just trying to do THE RIGHT THING. There is a statement on the registation card that says the tag must cover vehicle, load and anything towed...Please send me the statute number and where to find it so I can read it. Maybe I want be so confused ...Thanks very much....Ken Tl



Sent By: DMV (Vehicle Registration) Date/Time: 4/28/2004 1:12:15 PM
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General Statue 20-88
a)Determination of Weight- For the purpose of licensing, the weight of
self-propelled property carrying vehicles shall be the empty weight and heaviest
load to be transported, as declared by the owner or operator; provided, that any
determination of weight shall be made only in units of 1,000 pounds or major
fraction thereof, weights of over 500 pounds counted as 1,000 and weights of 500
pounds or less disregarded. The declared gross weight of self propelled property
carrying vehicles operated in conjunction with trailer or semitrailer shall include the
empty weight of the vehicles to be operated in combination and the heaviest load to
be transported by such combination at any time during the registration period,
except that the gross weight of a trailer or semitrailer is not required to be included
when the operation is to be in conjunction with a self-propelled property carrying
vehicle which is licensed for 6,000 pounds or less gross weight and the gross
weight combination does not exceed 9,000 pounds, except wreckers as defined
under G.S. 20-4.01(50).
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I just registered my 03 Ram 1500 4x4 and the registry person told me I had to have weighted plates due to the fact I tow the boat, I want to say they are 13,000 lb plates.
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Old 03-09-2005, 06:57 AM
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My 3/4 ton Dodge is tagged with 12K tag for truck and 23' CC weighing about 4K. The fine, as I understand it is levied at the rate per pound that you are over your tag. My 12K tag runs about $100.00 a year. I figure far cheaper than the fine.
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Old 03-09-2005, 07:38 AM
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General Statue 20-88
a)Determination of Weight- For the purpose of licensing, the weight of
self-propelled property carrying vehicles shall be the empty weight and heaviest
load to be transported, as declared by the owner or operator; provided, that any
determination of weight shall be made only in units of 1,000 pounds or major
fraction thereof, weights of over 500 pounds counted as 1,000 and weights of 500
pounds or less disregarded. The declared gross weight of self propelled property
carrying vehicles operated in conjunction with trailer or semitrailer shall include the
empty weight of the vehicles to be operated in combination and the heaviest load to
be transported by such combination at any time during the registration period,
except that the gross weight of a trailer or semitrailer is not required to be included
when the operation is to be in conjunction with a self-propelled property carrying
vehicle which is licensed for 6,000 pounds or less gross weight and the gross
weight combination does not exceed 9,000 pounds, except wreckers as defined
under G.S. 20-4.01(50).
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This sounds like if you have non-weighted tags towing is not a problem. If you have weighted tags, they should include the weight of the trailer.

Another thing, One reason the fee is proportionate to the weight is because the heavier vehicles cause the roadways to fail sooner. In theory the fee money goes back into the roads.

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Old 03-09-2005, 07:47 AM
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I have no idea about how much to tag it for but wanted to point out a possible insurance problem. If the vehicle is insured on a personal auto policy you have liability coverage for pulling any trailer. However, if it is insured on a commercial policy there is a weight limits for trailers (usually 2,000 lbs) before you have to endorse the policy to cover trailers.

Please note that I didn't say "tagged" personally or commercially but "insured" on a personal policy or commercial policy.

Just a heads up.
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Get the 15k Tag ..............
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Old 03-09-2005, 04:33 PM
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Effective January 1, 2003 all vehicles with a declared weight of 7,000 to 26,000 will be issued a commercial plate showing the word “Weighted.”See page 169 for fees - varies by weight.
So I guess what this says is that even if the truck is not commercial it still gets a commercial plate?
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Old 03-10-2005, 12:40 AM
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Anyone know if they have actually changed the rules within the past couple of years?

I went through this same thing when I bought my boat. Finally figured out that I don't need weighted tags at all, so long as I am towing the boat for my own personal use. Got that from a supervisor at the license plate office. A girl there initially told me I had to have the weighted plates. But when I started asking questions, they went to the supervisor, who told me I was fine without the weighted plates for personal use. Only need the weighted plates for commercial use. And it is determined whether it's commercial or personal by what's on the towing vehicle registration.

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Old 03-10-2005, 07:54 PM
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jb2sea is correct the last that I heard. I have spoke with several different patrolmen and dmv officers and tag agents about this. As long as it is recreational and you are pulling for yourself you don't have to be tagged for the total load, just what is in the truck. I have my duramax tagged because I pull bobcats and everything else for work. This also falls into pulling horses. The last I heard you could pull a trailor with your horses, no one elses and didn't have to be tagged for the load you are pulling.

And for the point of saying it is all a way to get more money, the 13k tag costs approx. $104, but the 14k almost $160. This I've been told is because a truck pulling a skid steer loader and trailer falls into this category. Take a look next time you're on the road and see how many you see. It's a nice little way to pad the pocket.

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Old 03-10-2005, 08:25 PM
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jb2sea and fostj10 , read the North Carolina General Statue below and tell me what it means.. Thanks, Ken



Sent By: DMV (Vehicle Registration) Date/Time: 4/28/2004 1:12:15 PM
Comment:

General Statue 20-88
a)Determination of Weight- For the purpose of licensing, the weight of
self-propelled property carrying vehicles shall be the empty weight and heaviest
load to be transported, as declared by the owner or operator; provided, that any
determination of weight shall be made only in units of 1,000 pounds or major
fraction thereof, weights of over 500 pounds counted as 1,000 and weights of 500
pounds or less disregarded. The declared gross weight of self propelled property
carrying vehicles operated in conjunction with trailer or semitrailer shall include the
empty weight of the vehicles to be operated in combination and the heaviest load to
be transported by such combination at any time during the registration period,
except that the gross weight of a trailer or semitrailer is not required to be included
when the operation is to be in conjunction with a self-propelled property carrying
vehicle which is licensed for 6,000 pounds or less gross weight and the gross
weight combination does not exceed 9,000 pounds, except wreckers as defined
under G.S. 20-4.01(50).
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As I understand it, it's much better to buy the extra weighted tag than be tagged by DMV. I've been an NC resident my life and I know there are certain "hot spots"; the scales on I-85/40 in Efland. Most DMV's are to busy these days trying to regulate/catch the commercial guys, but I've seen them with horse trailers pulled; but never a boat or RV. The easiest way is forgo this worry, guesstimate your total max weight, add a ton and buy the tag. A clue for some of you, and I never said this, get a farm tag if the price bothers you. You only need to own or "control" 10 or more acres for farming purposes to qualify. Many horse owners fit this description. Just my .02 worth, but it's a 50% reduction in tagging. But if you have a 26' Regulator, don't worry Not intended as a slur towards Regulator owners
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Wow, confusion reigns!!!! My F350 is tagged for 20k as I thought it was the combined truck plus boat. I think the fee is over $200 for the plate. Sounds like no one including the DMV/SHP can get a consistent answer and the regs are as clear as mud. the good news is I have never heard of a non commercial person ever even getting checked never mind fined. Maybe it is because no one knows the rules

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I don't mind and I want to do the right thing whatever that may be I think the rules listed say that it is a combined weight of weight of the truck plus options, passengers and the trailer loaded but it not very clear about personal vs. commercial.
It looks like they replaced the commercial tags with weighted but not sure whether they did away with the commercial part of it and just made it apply to everyone.
If they just did away with commercial and just said the weight itself dictates the tag then it would be easier to understand.

Who the hell writes these things??
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Emailed the below to state DMV. I also cut and pasted into the email a large portion of this thread. Will let you know what they say:

Below is a long thread which illustrates the confusion that exists among drivers of vehicles that pull boats. Could you clarify for me what is required of a boat owner who is pulling a boat/trailer for strictly recreational purposes? My understanding is that it depends upon how the tow vehicle is registered. I was told back in January 2003 by a DMV supervisor that if the tow vehicle was registered as non-commercial, then there was no requirement for a weighted plate. Is that correct?

Thanks for your help in clarifying this obviously confusing issue.

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Since I got the weighted tag I have been looking at the tags on other trucks around town and see lots of 3/4 ton trucks with hitches and no weighted tags. Matter of fact at least 20 to 1 when I counted randomly. Cant' imagine all these trucks are registered under 7000 lbs combined or whatever the low limit is.
Unless all these trucks happen to have been before the :

"Effective January 1, 2003 all vehicles with a declared weight of 7,000 to 26,000 will be issued a commercial plate showing the word “Weighted.”

came into effect? And they just had old plates? I will have to start looking at the tags on new trucks.

At the fishing school in Greenville yesterday my license plate was a minority in a sea of "First in Flight" tags in the parking lot........Maybe everyone had real small light boats?

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