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Old 01-17-2011, 03:52 PM
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Seems to me the only reasonable solution is a rod and reel commercial fishery for their 40-50 fish. Smaller boats, less expense, and no culling dead fish.
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The Commercial Fisherman, Hate the current laws.........The only reason the laws are the way they are is the DMF is able to CONTROL IT BETTER...........It's all about Control........It really sucks to see fish ($$$$$) Wasted.....

Just look how DMF controls the Speckle Trout Fishery.........They'd rather see the fish rot on the bottom, then allow Guys to sell the dying fish...SUCH A WASTE, like all other Government Programs..
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I was also out there Friday and Saturday and saw the areas of dead fish. No doubt the commercial fishing industry is over regulated and changes need to be made ( along with the 3-mile) as the industry/people are suffering, but when incidents like this fish kill happen, they lose in the court of public opinion and can only expect more regs...You can bet if I "culled" my fish I could expect a hefty fine!
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The Commercial Fisherman, Hate the current laws.........The only reason the laws are the way they are is the DMF is able to CONTROL IT BETTER...........It's all about Control........It really sucks to see fish ($$$$$) Wasted.....

Just look how DMF controls the Speckle Trout Fishery.........They'd rather see the fish rot on the bottom, then allow Guys to sell the dying fish...SUCH A WASTE, like all other Government Programs..
You sir, may well be correct right up to the point that you confuse the DMF with the MFC!!!

The MFC makes the laws, the DMF just tries to enforce stupidity and that is as you wrote about, damn hard to do!!!

It is the MFC folks, not the DMF!!!

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Somebody asked where the USCG were...most likely out patroling an imaginary line looking to bust recreational fisherman that are limited to 2 fish per person...makes sense, right???

Gene, I would think that ethically someone would have a hard time living with themselves killing and wasting this number of fish on a daily basis...
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That trawer was in all likehood not targeting stripers, but rather BUNKER..(fatbacks)

We revived several that swam away and kept our limit of the floaters.

Question to those that fought and reeled in FORTY breeder size fish!

How many fish swam away just to die from the strain of being dragged behind the boat ???

Just WONDERING ???

Get a copy of the DVD produced buy the commercial industry---The laws of bye catch must be changed . Even national marine fisheries knows this.

The Coast Guard C130 flew over twice--I was boarded by fish and game when I passed the channel to wanchese.
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They'd rather see the fish rot on the bottom, then allow Guys to sell the dying fish...SUCH A WASTE, like all other Government Programs..
Are you referring to the recent cold stun or are the fish dead on the bottom for some other reason?
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I'm not sure if I completely understand how compliance with the fishing regulations created the current waste of stripers. Could someone with more knowledge explain this?
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No, they are referring to the trawler dumping their bye catch after making a trawl.
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We saw it too this weekend. Made me sick.







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Guys- I posted a similar thread on the Boating Forum to try to get more exposure of this.

Please do what you can to spread the word. I understand the commercial guys have a job to do and families to feed,but this needs to be fixed. There has got to be a reasonable solution to this-right?
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get rid of the 50 fish limit. for a trawl fishery that is insane and you are just asking for what happened. the yearly quota is 160,160 lbs and they wont get there very quick with 50 fish a day, with limited open seasons. they drag it, they keep it, they weigh it. thats my idea.
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get rid of the 50 fish limit. for a trawl fishery that is insane and you are just asking for what happened. the yearly quota is 160,160 lbs and they wont get there very quick with 50 fish a day, with limited open seasons. they drag it, they keep it, they weigh it. thats my idea.
What happens when they fill their striper limit, but still want to go after menhaden? You will continue to see this. I would like to see a limit on their take of menhaden as well. The two limits should be associated with one another so that they should be reached around the same time (based on catch rates).
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The start to the end of this could happen right here.
You guys that sit around at nights could send these photos and a write up to the local paper. Things happen when the public is aware of this but talking about it on a forum only fishing folks are on, no one will ever see it.
Tv stations love stories, theres another way to get it out there.
We all hate it but there is a way to get the ball rolling and the option is there if you feel like doing anything about it.
Taking the information I have seen on here from the crabber that use to know, and knowing how the rules are, there would be some sort of public outrage about this. Until the fingers is pointed at the ones that can change the laws they sure ain't getting off their butts to do anything about it.
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Old 01-18-2011, 04:51 AM
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The start to the end of this could happen right here.
You guys that sit around at nights could send these photos and a write up to the local paper. Things happen when the public is aware of this but talking about it on a forum only fishing folks are on, no one will ever see it.
Tv stations love stories, theres another way to get it out there.
We all hate it but there is a way to get the ball rolling and the option is there if you feel like doing anything about it.
Taking the information I have seen on here from the crabber that use to know, and knowing how the rules are, there would be some sort of public outrage about this. Until the fingers is pointed at the ones that can change the laws they sure ain't getting off their butts to do anything about it.
One of those things if it really upsets you , you can make a difference.
This is exactly what I wanted to happen. This is a heavy traffic site consisting of members that are passionate about boating and fishing. I have done the same thing on few other boards and it has also took off like wild fire. However it can't stop here. It must be heard by local medlia, government, and community. It goes on every year, but this time it was done in the face of many private boat owners. People that invest a lot of time and whole lot more money into hobby and don't want to see our beloved fishery derstroyed by a very few making a lot of money off of it. Thanks everyone for your support, pics, and spreading of the word.
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Old 01-18-2011, 05:20 AM
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Those pics make me sick too...But thats no reason to shut a fishery down..The guy dragging thru those sport boats wasn't thinking very clear of what he was doing...That was a crazy thing to do...I myslef would not have done that..The 50 fish limits are crazy, but the "rules" set on the fishery are insane too...Lets get the limit caught ASAP and close it back down..And the same goes for the sport fishing sector, catch your limit, and quit fishing too..Catch and Release is known to kill a percentage of fish too...If 200 boats release 100 fish per day and a death rate is say.......10%..and thats probably a low number, there is a high number of fish dying there too...I just want everyone to catch all they are allowed to by law, Rec and Commercial............Just don't WASTE THE RESOURCE....
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Gene, just as a Devil's advocate, how do folks that enjoy catching fish that don't want to keep/harvest any participate in your idea of how it should work?

If I don't want to eat rockfish (and I do sometimes) why can't I catch & release some???

If I catch em with single barbless hook jigs or cast to em with single barbless lures/flies, how many do you think I kill???

Should how many the trollers with Stretch 25s loaded with trebles catch as opposed to single hook MOJOs???

Did you know the mortality from C&R is figured into the rec quota/set limits???

Sounds good, but makes no sense as folks fish to catch fish, eating fish is a part of the equation but not anywhere close to the main part for recs. If it was, we'd just sell the boat/tackle, dispense with the fuel bill and travel expenses, and never charter a boat!

Even getting the comms to a Hook&Line fishery is mired up in stupid regs all brought to us by the MFC (not the DMF).

If you want change, demand it, attend the MFC meetings, email em, tell your legislator this kinda stuff is WRONG!!! It doesn't take much more time than making a few posts on this website, trust me!!!

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The start to the end of this could happen right here.
You guys that sit around at nights could send these photos and a write up to the local paper. Things happen when the public is aware of this but talking about it on a forum only fishing folks are on, no one will ever see it.
Tv stations love stories, theres another way to get it out there.
We all hate it but there is a way to get the ball rolling and the option is there if you feel like doing anything about it.
Taking the information I have seen on here from the crabber that use to know, and knowing how the rules are, there would be some sort of public outrage about this. Until the fingers is pointed at the ones that can change the laws they sure ain't getting off their butts to do anything about it.
One of those things if it really upsets you , you can make a difference.
Good points I think. I guess I am "the public" you write of. I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to commercial (or even sport) fishing nor am I a local. We love the obx, spending a lot of time and money at our little getaway there.

As the naive public, I'm shocked and horrified this crap happens. I just can't believe we are this short-sighted. We worry about some little birds on Hatteras Island while this slaughter happens 40 miles away? C'mon.

I can't help but relate this to the "Outer Banks Catch" pr campaign. It worked for/on us and we've tried to support local commercial fishing by buying local but after seeing this I don't see the point. Why support this? Yes, I know that "foreign" fishing is the same but...wow...maybe we just stick with chicken.
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I'm a Commercial Fisherman, I mostly Crab these days...But don't Blame the Trawler Captian........Blame North Carolina DMF....Thats there way of Controling the population of the Striped Bass Fisheries..Believe me these Commercial guys don't want to waste these fish.....But they are limited to the amount of fish they're allowed to Harvest....This is a stupid law... NCDMF should give them a landings amount per season...Once they reach the limit shut that boat off the fishery..Weather they catch it in 1 day or 2 weeks to get their limit..50/100 or 150 fish per day is Crazy....You can see the waste it causes....Give them a 500 fish limit or what ever number it is, let them catch the fish and be done....BTW, if and when they ban gillnets, it won't affect the Trawl Boats............JMO
While I agree it the law its also the greed of the Captains to catch a net full of fish them select the biggest fish to keep. They could control some of this by leaving their nets out for alot less time. Just because its legal does not make it right and I don't see ho they can sleep at night knowing what they are doing.
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Hey guys we need support so go to this link and ask the local news to look into this. If enough people send them a request they have to do something.

http://www.wavy.com/subindex/news/news_tips
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