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Sounds like both the HOOK and the OBO tournaments went on even though there were small craft advisories. Can't compliment either for putting peoples lives in danger. Don't know if the capsized boat off southport was fishing the tournament, but as of now, one person is in the hospital and one missing. Think those putting on the tournaments need to re-look at what they've done and take some responsibility for the lost life here. Why would ANY tournament jepordize lives by calling a Small Craft Warning day a fishing day? Yes, they did, and yes at least one life was lost. Whats it take to get these guys to understand what they may be liable for? Have only seen post about who won what.... nothing about the lost life.
Evidently you dont know anything about fishing in Onslow Bay.
If you fished up this way, you would know that the fish are on the beach and we fish in the protection of Shacklefords Banks. Beaufort Inlet didnt even have a swell in it. Boats were running Beaufort Inlet at 50 MPH. The fish were caught 5 to 6 miles off Ft. Macon in 3 ft. seas, no one's life was in danger.
If you tried to or crossed the C/L shoals, that would have been a probem.
48% of the boats weighed fish, one of the highest catch ratios in the Carolinas this year. By the way, we had another record breaking Entry.
Before you start criticizing tournaments, learn the lay of the land. But we know you and you wouldnt give anyone a compliment, all you do is criticize.
Our deepest sympathy goes out to the family of the fisherman that was lost.
__________________ 2002 US Anglers Champ-46.03 lbs. SKA 2004 Sportsman Award, 2005 SKA 23 Class National Champions-42.47 & 39.91, total 82.38 lbs. an SKA aggegate record for the Atlantic, 2nd SKA 2008, 14th-2009, 15th-2003. Director Onslow Bay Open KMT raised $212,484 in 11 years for KIDS Charities.
You're obviously not a tournament fisherman. Most know when and where they can fish safely.
We fished OBOKMT as did 86 other boats, we didn't have any problems because we knew where to safely fish as did the other 85 boats. The only problem I heard of was some local jerk shrimper complaining on the radio about all the boats running the ditch to weigh-in their fish.
If you knew the people that put these tournaments on you would not be making such comments. OBOKMT staff has always put the fishermen interest and safety first. Capt. Stanman puts on a tournament that by far is the best run tournament around. To make such statements is uncalled for. No one made anyone fish that did not want too. Our team fished and it was a normal North Carolina day of fishing.
At the Captains Meeting we offered to return the entry fees. We did not force anyone to fish our KMT. No one asked to have their Entry Fee returned.
__________________ 2002 US Anglers Champ-46.03 lbs. SKA 2004 Sportsman Award, 2005 SKA 23 Class National Champions-42.47 & 39.91, total 82.38 lbs. an SKA aggegate record for the Atlantic, 2nd SKA 2008, 14th-2009, 15th-2003. Director Onslow Bay Open KMT raised $212,484 in 11 years for KIDS Charities.
It is always a tough call as to when to call an event or when to hold it. A ton of preparation goes into these events. You can't use small craft advisories as the cutoff as they don't always tell the whole story. This weekend both events were held mainly because of the direction of the wind, northeast. That meant that boats could fish the hook at Cape Lookout and off the beach at Southport in reasonably safe conditions. The only danger was the swells and at the inlets. In the case of the OBO, which I fished, conditions were pretty flat on the beach, as you got offshore 5 or so miles they got worse but you really did not need to go there as there was a good bite off the rock jetty. Those few that ventured to the east side encountered different conditions as seas of +10 ft made that far more dangerous. These events are always Captain's choice and I have sat out events I thought should have been postponed in the past. This was not the case this weekend. In fact, the tournament even offered to refund any early entries that were uncomfortable with the weather.
It is unfortunate that you choose to use the the tragic loss of a boaters life to try and make your point when you don't know what happened in that accident or even if they were fishing the HOOk event. Clearly fishing in a 17 foot boat in anything less than ideal conditions is a risky proposition at best.
It is unfortunate that you choose to use the the tragic loss of a boaters life to try and make your point when you don't know what happened in that accident or even if they were fishing the HOOk event. Clearly fishing in a 17 foot boat in anything less than ideal conditions is a risky proposition at best.
Kirk
Exactly...some details include, some members of the crew were "under the influence" at checkout time. One member wanted to quit fishing early, it is my understanding the incident took place when the 17' aluminum boat entered the surf on the beach to let the disgruntled fisherman out. The boat was flipped by heavy surf.
No one forces people to fish in tournaments. If you not mature enough to make a decisions about rough seas then you sure as hell don't need to be fishing in the ocean. Yeah we are all sorry to hear about the acciedent that happened, but come on dude.... a seventeen foot boat in less than perfect conditions should tell you something about there knowledge of the ocean and its dangers. It was not a tournaments decision that caused them to have the accident.
It's people like you who make our insurance so high... Its called no responsibilty for any of your actions and always tring to put the blame on someone else.
Hey guys, I was stating an opinion, and I stand by it. Obviously I struck a nerve of some of the organizers. Lots of "self defence" in several response posts.
Edgar, none of the guys are organizers of the OBO.
They are just a lot more intelligent than you are.
defence is spelled defense, see what I mean about intelligence.
__________________ 2002 US Anglers Champ-46.03 lbs. SKA 2004 Sportsman Award, 2005 SKA 23 Class National Champions-42.47 & 39.91, total 82.38 lbs. an SKA aggegate record for the Atlantic, 2nd SKA 2008, 14th-2009, 15th-2003. Director Onslow Bay Open KMT raised $212,484 in 11 years for KIDS Charities.
You're obviously not a tournament fisherman. Most know when and where they can fish safely.
We fished OBOKMT as did 86 other boats, we didn't have any problems because we knew where to safely fish as did the other 85 boats. The only problem I heard of was some local jerk shrimper complaining on the radio about all the boats running the ditch to weigh-in their fish.
MR. Tony Bogue,
There was no need for the hot boats or hot heads. With well over 30 minutes left before check-in closed and less than 1/2 mile to tournament check-in boat, all the "sportsman" were running the ditch in a relatively crowded and narrow area at excessive speeds. And the local shimpers boat was being slammed into his dock by the wakes. His attempt to respectively ask for the weigh-in staff to ask the boaters to slow down was met with surrly rudeness. Although not a no wake zone, all decent boaters know and respect that they are responsible for their wakes. While you say "you heard of ...:, I heard.
And while I am at it, it doesn't and shouldn't take a "tournament" fisherman to know when and where to fish safely.
Dang. I really did strike a nerve with Stanman. Puts me in my place and now I'm not as intelligent as his posters...??? There were NO personal attacks made in the opening post, and none have followed, by me anyway! Not the case with Capt. Stanman though. I probably need some tutoring so I can become intelligent like he is. Yeah, right.
Aint it a b_tch when you think folks dont realize your intent in posting a comment, or maybe...
react in a manner that completely surprises you, and makes you wonder just what it was you said that managed to get them so upset?
Do you wonder if they completely read thru your comment, or maybe just got to one sentence or statement,
took that the wrong way, or out of context,
and DIDNT BOTHER to read the rest of the statement? They just 'go off'...
Then...maybe...they get some sort of 'picture' of what kind of a person you are, FROM A COMMENT ON A FORUM, and then go around slamming you?
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The original poster and a couple subsequent ones sound just like some posts on another part of this forum recently. (re. building on the sand). Could the same jerks be at it again?
I am not a tourny fisherman, but I was fishing that area saterday and guess what? As long as you weren't in the surf it was darn good seas out to a few miles... I think you have a personal ax to grind and were fishin' for a heated response... Well what do you know... When you try and blame the tragic events on people who were not the slightest bit at fault, don't be suprised when they take offence to being blamed for the tragic events ! I guess your induendo that they were responsible was on accident ! I hope that the families of the people involved don't read any of these forums... Hate to say it, but nothing will make me go anywhere I don't think is safe in my boat... Trying to lay blame is not helping anyone. Let save the blame game until at least some of the facts are determined and not try and inflame a tragic event !
Good point SEMI. Sometimes we just don't read the entire post, or simply don't get the "intent". I admit, I've been guilty too. Interesting thing on this thread is that all the bashing is coming from one shepherd and his sheep.
kmack - No intent of placing blame for the accident on anyone. It was simply a tragic event, and probably not in the tournament anyway. My point was and is that when you do have a tournament, and the conditions either are, or are forecasted to be bad, then the decision makers are potentially placing the entrants in harms way by proceeding. Sure, you can decide not to go, but you're now caught in a predicament, as the carrot (prize $$) is being held in front of you, and most do chance it.
Sounds like both the HOOK and the OBO tournaments went on even though there were small craft advisories. Can't compliment either for putting peoples lives in danger.
Comment 2:
Think those putting on the tournaments need to re-look at what they've done and take some responsibility for the lost life here. Why would ANY tournament jepordize lives by calling a Small Craft Warning day a fishing day? Yes, they did, and yes at least one life was lost.
Comment 1 is ur opinion & I have no problem with it. Bottomline: The Captain is always responsible for the safety of his boat & the people on it (he has the final word on whether to go or not to go). If the other fisherman on the boat feel it's unsafe then it's their choice to stay at the dock. Sounds like neither happened on the ill fated vessel. Sorry for what happend but it sounds like a tragic case of stupidity.
Comment 2 affixes blame & to that I say BS. Neither Tournament forced the Captain & crew of this vessel to fish ...... it was totally their choice. I'm sure there are other facts that will come to light after the investigation is completed. Bottomline:
You mentioned the word liablilty the only one liable here is the captain that chose to take his metal boat into the surf to drop off a disgruntle crew member.
Elkins, (Irfisher) no where in your posts do you show any remorse for the missing person.
Were you waiting for this to happen to prove a point? How about having a little respect for the lost fisherman and his family.
__________________ 2002 US Anglers Champ-46.03 lbs. SKA 2004 Sportsman Award, 2005 SKA 23 Class National Champions-42.47 & 39.91, total 82.38 lbs. an SKA aggegate record for the Atlantic, 2nd SKA 2008, 14th-2009, 15th-2003. Director Onslow Bay Open KMT raised $212,484 in 11 years for KIDS Charities.
" Think those putting on the tournaments need to re-look at what they've done and take some responsibility for the lost life here. Why would ANY tournament jepordize lives by calling a Small Craft Warning day a fishing day? Yes, they did, and yes at least one life was lost. Whats it take to get these guys to understand what they may be liable for ? "
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I am just replying on what you said. I read your post fine. I don't know what you people are talking about that some people did not understand the post. I understood it fine. Better watch what you say if you can't express youself right on these boards.
Wineberry - You may want to go back and read other posts that clarify the first. Obviously you haven't done that. Your post could be picked apart also, but I'm not intelligent enough to do that. I do wonder though, how people like me cause your insurance to go up.?
Wherever the shepherd goes the sheep follow.
Carolina Tournaments 
! I guess your induendo that they were responsible was on accident 
! I hope that the families of the people involved don't read any of these forums... Hate to say it, but nothing will make me go anywhere I don't think is safe in my boat... Trying to lay blame is not helping anyone. Let save the blame game until at least some of the facts are determined and not try and inflame a tragic event 
