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Old 06-17-2010, 08:49 AM
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Default Who fishes off Southport or Wilmington NC? I got a basic question.

I am looking to buy my first boat and will be fishing out of Southport. I know I got my cart in front of my horse a bit here, but I am curious about how far out I will be needing to take my boat to get into good fishing.

I have read about Frying Pan Shoals, Frying Pan Tower, etc.. but don't know what they mean to be honest. I am looking at a 23-24' CC but want to be sure I buy a boat that will allow me to reach good fishing waters. If that means saving up for a while to get a bigger boat, so be it.

Hoping to avoid making a stupid purchase to be honest. Anyone feeling patient today, give me an idea of how far out I will be wanting to fish once I get my feet wet. Any suggestions on suitable boats and/or boat sizes?

Is it realistic to fish the gulfstream in a boat like I am looking at? If applicable, how far out is that?


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I've been following yer boat purchase ?'s and
suggest you first join yer local salt water fishing club.
Often, "good fishing waters" are 3 miles off the beach.
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Going out of SouthPort you have a ton of fishing options. 3 miles and out you are in a good spot. Check out the LongBay Reef Association web site there are several artifical reefs close by. Also get you a profinder chart to get an idea of how far some of these points are. I have a 21ft CC and fish out of Shalotte, and Little River. I limit myself to 20 miles on good days, but most days I can do 10 miles easy. That is just my opinion.
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Depends what you are after i guess...

Summer time you can go 12 to 40 miles and catch just about everything but marlin and wahoo (consitetnly at least)..you can do this easliy on a 23-24' boat.

If you want to start target pelagics in the stream you will need something a little bigger - 28' with twins would be my starting point but i see guys out there in smaller boats all the time.

All depends you what you want to do...
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For what it's worth, I have a newer 21 Center Console with a single 4 stroke that I just slipped in Oak Island. I feel comfortable regularly going offshore up to 25 miles or so out of the Cape Fear River obviously considering the sea conditions and keeping an eye on the weather. This gets you to famous places like the Horseshoe where you can catch Kingfish and Dophin. On a perfect day with an early start (to minimize the chance of getting caught far offshore in an aftrnoon thunderstorm), I may venture to the Frying Pan Tower area which is probably an additional 10-15 mile run. I have 2 batteries, a vhf, a handheld back-up vhf, a gps/fishfinder, a PLB (emergency sattelite beacon device), and all the standard required safety gear. Really, the only thing you can't realistically do with this boat is go to the Gulf Stream. For that, I would think you would want a boat bigger than 24 feet probably with twin engines.
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I fish out of southport and have a 17' skiff. I normally fish AR420, 425, 440 and 460 and in between. We bottom fish these reefs and troll for spanish and kings.
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Thanks for the insights guys. It is incredibly helpful for me to get some ideas on actual distance off shore most you guys are fishing. I have heard the names of a few places, but without knowing how many miles out it is, or the general size boat that is suitable, the info is of little usage to a new guy like me. Thanks for taking the time to share some thoughts. I will look forward to any further response.


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I bought a new 22ft Sea Hunt with yammer 150 last fall, and have been to blackjack & 100/400 4 times in the past 6 months.....thats 67 miles for me 1 way.....you can do anything in a 23-24ft boat if you know your boat and your limitations (and have a yamaha on the ****** - haha....

but seriously, Its not as much of the boat as it is you as a captain....I often take my boat 30+ miles, but I have all the necessary emergency equipment, always check the weather (not only for that day, but the weather patterns, etc), and Ive grown up on the water so it just feels natural to me......youll appreciate the fuel savings of a smaller center console if you dont "overpower" it - so shop around, keep asking great questions, and good luck on your purchase..
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As said above, it all depends on what you want to target. There are plenty of good fishing areas out of Southport within 25 miles of land...lighthouse rock, horsehoe, shark hole, jungle, and numerous ARs. Frying Pan tower is an excellent fishing spot and I believe easily accessible in a 23ft boat. Heck, I've got a buddy who has a 23ft and makes runs to the stream no problem on nice days. One thing to consider, the season will start sooner for you (likely by 4-6 weeks) if you can run to the stream. Whatever you decide, I'll be happy to share some coordinates and info with you when the time comes.
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Thanks for all the info guys. Sure do appreciate it. Early in the game, but I am taking great interest in the idea of a used Albemarle 242 and wanted to ask if anyone had any opinions on using this boat in the above recommended areas. Sounds like the general consensus is that a 24' boat is fairy well suited to fishing most the distances required, perhaps even running out to the gulf stream if conditions are decent. Since I am narrowing down my choices on boats, I wanted to get a few opinions on the efficacy of this particular model if possible. Thanks for any comment.



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Dan ....... Slow down, the excitement of buying a boat is overwhelming - the ownership of a boat can be frustrating .......

Have you been ever been offshore fishing ?
It can be a long boring boat ride at times........

A large boat needs a dependable crew - do you have one ?
The weather does not always cooperate & crews flakes out .......
Don't believe me, try booking a Stream charter with a couple of friends.

Your best bet would be to get invited on a few boats & go out a few times - just to see it you like it.

You will be making a large investment. Outfitting any boat will be expensive.
It's much larger than the initial purchase, when you consider all the extra equipment you will have to have. And what about the fuel & 200# of ice .....
Then there are all the mistakes, the wrong purchases, additional tackle - that you will never use, because you just don't know ........


Honestly, offshore or near shore fishing involves a lot's of planning & prepping ....
Can be expensive, boring, frustrating & a very long day.....
We sometimes prep the day before & leave the dock at 5 am, after cleaning fish, the boat & equipment maybe home by 8 pm - you will need a very understanding wife.

But inshore fishing in a smaller shallow water boat, with fewer less expensive rods & reels - without a crew, for a few hours without all the hassle.
Can be more productive, headache free, while putting fish in the box, keep your marriage together & your evening open ........

You can always step up to a bigger boat.
Big boat equals big expensive headaches .....

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I appreciate the input man and I have already considered much of your warnings. I suspect we will be doing most of our fishing near shore, I just want a boat that gives me room to grow. The one thing I have learned reading here and elsewhere is most guys buy the wrong boat. A mistake I am not wanting to immitate. The insights shared here by you guys has been most helpful in allowing me to find that middle ground if you will. The boat that will allow me to meet most of my goals, now and in the future, while at the same time not breaking the bank. Admittingly, a tough boat to find. But thanks to you and others, I am slowly finding my way and I thank you.


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I do agree with Ice Cream Man to some points. It is expensive, and can be a hassle.

I am in a search for a boat myself, not in a rush though, heck if it takes a year for me to decide on what i want then it will. This is my theory though and people can bash it if they want. If I get a good 23-24ft boat I can run offshore, fish near shore, fish the rivers, the sounds, or I can run to chesapeake bay near me. If i have an 18ft boat that limits me greatly, even in the sounds, near shore ect. If i get a 21 ft boat i'll be pissed and wish i bought a 23-34. Also you will have to go with the hassle of re-selling a boat. Just my opinion
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Dan .... You mentioned near shore fishing & room to grow...
No one boat will do it all & you can always trade up if that's what you want.
See what the Guides in your area are using & talk to them before making a major commitment.
I bet that most of them are using bay boats
You will be amazed at how much you can do in a bay boat with a trolling motor, jackplate & a Power Pole ........

I have a 22' Twin Vee, it's a catamaran with twin Suzuki's 115 4 stroke, holds 80 gallons of fuel.
I have been 60 miles offshore, in the right conditions with the right crew.
And, I have fished alone when no ones available, from 2 hours to all day.
Fish inshore, near shore, bottom fish & take my family to the barrier islands while I surf fish.........
I have trailed my Cat to other inlets when the fish are there.
For flats fishing I go with a few buddies with flats boats.

My point is leave the offshore fishing for your buddies & learn to be a dependable crew member, willing to go on a moments notice.

And you did not answer my question - Have you ever fished offshore ?


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I have been out on a few off shore charters but never to the gulf stream. Some in NC and some from Nantucket,Mass. Nothing to brag about, mediocre fishing the few times I went but that is fishing. I have been researching what guides in my area use and several have 23-25' Parkers but most boats are much bigger. Some had flats boats for redfish and the like I assume.

You mention bay boats and they do look good. Certainly less money and expense compared to some other options I have been looking into. I got a quote today on a Nautic Star 24' bay boat for $35k. However, that was priced with a 150hp Suzuki and I suspect more power would suite that boat size well. Even still, it is far more affordable than some other boats I have looked into. Sounds like a great boat for flyfishing for reds and such in the intercoastal waterway. Especially if I add a stand on the back and a push pole.

A side benefit, this would be a boat I could take to some of the larger lakes for striper fishing. I have been working on Nantucket for 3.5 years and grown quite fond of striped bass. My hope is that this boat would be good for some near shore fishing, although I am uncertain how far out folks generally take these boats. I heard there are some good fishing spots within 5-8 miles from shore and perhaps a bay boat like this would be suitable. Still trying to figure that out. If so, this may in fact be a good compromise. Affordable, versatile in its application, and easier to trailer. Could be good.

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I have a 19' Bay boat and took her out 36 miles last weekend with no problems. I have been on the water my entire life and feel more comfortable with my current boat/motor than ever before. See I mainly fish lakes and the bay so a bay boat was my first choice. I need the trolling motor for slow trolling for Stripers....need the 150 HP for the gear and mates that frequent it. Fishing with a dependable crew is worth more than gold. Trusting your equipment and yourself is priceless. Buy the best you can afford...boat, motor, trailer, electronics, and fishing gear! You GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR!! A 23' bay boat would suit you just fine.
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Dan ..... Nautic Star is a great boat & I think your right about that 24 being under powered. Forget the push pole, consider an Mini Kota Auto Pilot trolling motor - 2 guys I fish with are using them & it makes a world of differences
Add a Jack Plate & you have a fishing machine - Perfect for nearshore & inshore ......... ICM
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I do about the same kind of fishing although its a shorter run out of Hatteras to the Gulf Stream. I love the boat i have now it fishes great offshore on good days and ill run it 30 miles out or I can run around inshore for trout and flounder. Take a look at the Pioneer 197SF its set up nice for fishing and also a good boat if you just want to cruise around with some freinds. A lot of guys in SC will run them 65 miles offshore.
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Dan,
I have to agree with Billy, I have been out in myboat with him out in his alone before but we were close to each other and in radio contact all the time. He is right. Crew with someone first and see if you want to go deep first...

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Dan .... You mentioned near shore fishing & room to grow...
No one boat will do it all & you can always trade up if that's what you want.
See what the Guides in your area are using & talk to them before making a major commitment.
I bet that most of them are using bay boats
You will be amazed at how much you can do in a bay boat with a trolling motor, jackplate & a Power Pole ........

I have a 22' Twin Vee, it's a catamaran with twin Suzuki's 115 4 stroke, holds 80 gallons of fuel.
I have been 60 miles offshore, in the right conditions with the right crew.
And, I have fished alone when no ones available, from 2 hours to all day.
Fish inshore, near shore, bottom fish & take my family to the barrier islands while I surf fish.........
I have trailed my Cat to other inlets when the fish are there.
For flats fishing I go with a few buddies with flats boats.

My point is leave the offshore fishing for your buddies & learn to be a dependable crew member, willing to go on a moments notice.

And you did not answer my question - Have you ever fished offshore ?


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