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Old 02-05-2011, 07:03 PM   #1
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MARKETING TIPS ON SELLING
[AND A FEW ON BUYING] YOUR BOAT IN TODAY'S ECONOMY


I recently listed my 2003 Boston Whaler Conquest FOR SALE and had it SOLD within 2 weeks. After researching market prices and comparable boats from the various sources, I constructed an Ad in the format style as indicated below and did some extensive research on why some boats sold relatively quickly while others simply just languished month after month.

AD LAYOUT

Try To Capture The Prospective Buyers Attention and Highlight Important Items!

a. Derive your stats from the Vendors site and be informative.

b. Use Bullet Points rather than a lot of run on verbage and highlight points you want to express.

c. Include all relevant data, i.e., weight, fuel burn, LOA, Hull and Motor year of manufacture, etc. Be Sure to include the price!. Prospective buyers do not want to PM, Email,Telephone to find out how much your asking price is.

d. Indicate maintenance history with the ability to back up with records.

e. Don't be wishy washy about the sale, either you want to sell it or you don't. Some ads say I want to sell but if I don't sell it in 30 days the price goes up or I'll just keep her. This indicates an unmotivated seller or someone who just doesn't care about the sale.

f. Don't be negative about the boat, ie, it needs new canvas, tune up, lower unit, etc.
If the boat requires repairs have them done prior to selling, buyers like 'curb' appeal not looking at an improperly maintained boat. RETURN CALLS PROMPTLY!

MOST IMPORTANTLY! Give prospective buyers all your contact info, ie, cell numbers and e-mail and the best time to reach you. State the price you want! That eliminates needless inquiries from people that are out of the price range and keeps folks from guessing. State where the boat is located!

g. Do Not tell buyers to email you for pics! Buyers want to see pics NOW without further work on their part. Take lots of close-ups and include them with your ad. Show all areas of the boat from the anchor locker to the transom. Consider making or having a friend make a YouTube video of the boat in operation and post the link in your Ad copy.

No fuzzy or long distance pics, get a buddy with a good camera if you don't have one. Don't suggest to buyers they should click on your photo bucket account or other link to see the pics since photo bucket usually has other personal pics unrelated and buyers want to see it with a minimum of effort. If you are placing an Ad on THT give prospective buyers the ease of viewing the boat without having to navigate all over the Internet to view it! Try to get some overhead pics and pics with the hatches open. Good Pics of the boat are a MUST have!

Don't Do This:
PICTURES CAN BE SEEN AT THIS CRAIGSLIST LINK:
www.marietta/craiglist.4567890.com


h. Don't bother putting up pics of a dirty boat. It's amazing how people expect to get FIVE DIGIT++ Dollars for a boat with leaf stains, mold, mildewed fabrics and boat junk lying all over, CLEAN IT UP!! Have a detail guy go over it and keep it clean! Amazingly! Sellers still post pics of their dirty boats and expect buyers to seriously consider them.

i. Don't tell folks I'll have it detailed upon the SALE! DO IT NOW! Clean boats sell a lot easier than dirty ones. Dirty boats reflect poorly on the sellers ability to have cared for the boat. Dock appeal is very important so have it looking sharp!

j. If you use a broker, check their credentials, make sure they know your boat, find out if they will do the paperwork and assist in the financial issues and can answer all the questions a prospective buyer may have and get lots of references.

k. PRICE IT OUT PROPERLY! Look at the marketplace, use NADA and prior sales comparables, check Boatrader and other on-line listing services for an idea of what price others are asking for. Does your boat have bottom paint? That could be a negative, beat up cowlings, scuffed skegs, that tells me you ran in shallow water. Get a can of matching spray color paint and clear coat and paint that decrepit looking skeg. Price Alone will not sell a boat unless itís a project boat or fixer-upper. Overpricing your boat will only cause it to languish unsold or bring in low ball offers. Understand that in this economy it's a buyer's market and is likely to remain that way for some time.

l. A boat is a large investment, mine sold quickly because I kept it in pristine condition with an open checkbook. People aren't likely to buy your boat if it's dirty and overpriced. Look at all marketplace comparables, use NADA and all the other online sources to establish a fair price. Being upside down will not help and you may end up writing a check to the lien holder to get out cleanly.

j. Show motivation in the sale and write up a good Ad, if you can't ask a buddy with some marketing expertise to help you out. Have others review it!

k. Advertise on all the usual internet outlets, BoatTrader, THT, Reel Boating, etc. and consider using services as Angler's Edge Marine to assist in your marketing. You may also consider setting up a inexpensive web site with template builders just dedicated to sell the boat using the make/model in the URL. [i.e Whaler255ForSale.com]

l. Construct a fuel burn chart or download the manufacturers for your Ad.

m. To save time obtain a current survey from a competent surveyor and leave nothing out. [Normally surveys are paid for by the buyer] The buyer may wish to obtain their own objective survey and this should be encouraged but having your own survey may give you a heads up on issues that you might not be aware of.

n. If it's going to be a short-sale be up front with the buyer. If youíre a buyer check for UCC liens and other title flaws.

o. If you determine fair market pricing than stick with it, reducing the price every couple days or weeks does not help in the sale and actually hinders. If you get a bonafide buyer that has done their homework you'll get an offer at your FAIR MARKET PRICE.

p. Be honest with the prospective buyer about why you are selling, ie, moving up, lost job, lost interest, no use, etc. Remember Oh What A Tangled Web We Weave When We Try To Deceive! If something is inoperable either fix it or let the buyer know.

q. I found the best outlet for marketing was on the boating forums, since many folks knew I was a long time poster and could easily search the forums and any issues that I may have posted with the boat or motors would be apparent. Be careful what you post about your boat once goggle gets it itís on the net forever and accessible.

r. Always be honest with a prospective buyer and answer all questions truthfully. If you tell the buyer you'll do something be a person of your word. It'll leave a warm fuzzy feeling on both sides.

s. Try to resolve any service issues that may arise or issues that a survey detects. Be sure to have a technician check out the motors for compression and lower units for any water intrusion along with a general review of the mechanical systems operation. I.e., pumps, batteries.

t. Arrange or assist the buyer with transportation, especially if a boat hauler or trailer is needed. If you're selling a trailer have it serviced so it does not break down before the new owner gets it home.

u. Do Not Be Offended By Buyers Comments!

v. Just like selling a house not everyone will appreciate all your choices of upgrades or electronics. Be flexible if you have a bonafide buyer who hates Icom, tell them you'll be happy to issue a credit against the price for a Standard Horizon. Learn to overcome objections with positive ideas to help make the sale work and with a good attitude. Do not become argumentative!

w. Don't be afraid of an out of country buyer, I had numerous calls from Australia that were bonafide. Now Nigeria might be another matter! Be aware of buyers wanting to send you excess money for a deposit sight unseen! RED FLAG!


x. Don't try to barter boats, trade up or down, it's really going to complicate the issue.


y. Try to line up some sources of financing in the event your buyer needs it you can just plug him in. If the buyer needs to sell his boat first don't waste your time and money chasing the sale or try to do a contingency agreement. Don't Play Banker! Being a lienholder is something that should be only left to professionals, i.e. lending institutions, trying to collect on a past due note from a distant buyer will be nothing short of aggravating, remember unqualified buyers caused in part the real estate market collapse. Another bad idea I recently spotted in an Ad, "He'd consider somebody taking over the payments as well" He'd better consider what's going to happen to 'his' credit score when the buyer defaults on that note and the lienholder levies on 'him'.

z. Take at least 10% down payment subject to agreeable/acceptable sea trial and survey. If the buyer is not comfortable with you holding the deposit find a escrow agent or local attorney who will act as a closing agent and disburse funds upon the boat closing.

aa. Be diligent about who you are dealing with, get name, address, telephone numbers, type of employment, etc. and look the buyer/seller up on search engines, Spokeo, Facebook, etc. to insure you have a reputable individual your dealing with.

bb. Don't offer up incentives such as free airline tickets, hookers, charter fishing trips, jet skis or any other extraneous 'toys'. These are not going to be incentives to a serious buyer.

cc. I did not utilize any type of written contract because I had confidence in my purchasers word and given that Iím an attorney I could litigate into the next millennium. I felt that if I had a bona fide party and the boat met the survey standards that there would be no issues. Some folks would feel that a written contract is necessary and in that case Iím sure a local attorney could draft up a suitable agreement for a reasonable fee acceptable to both parties.


dd. Donít be lulled into the misbelief that since you just repowered with new motors for $40,000 that your boat is going to worth that much more. Those new motors wonít make it a new boat. Itís still an 2006 or whatever year boat! Thatís what itís going to fetch in the marketplace plus some small premium for the new power.

ee. HIGHLIGHT Extended Warranties! That gives a buyer an additional measure of confidence in the purchase. For example, my Whaler had a ten-year hull warranty that was transferable for a small fee.

ff. Don't let others derail your FOR SALE thread! Some folks seem to always want to go off on some tangent and compare your boat to something it's not which often leads to negative connotations. Try to keep your boat as the main focus of the internet thread you started.


gg. On The Market a Long Time and NOT SOLD! When boats languish unsold for 6 months or longer folks begin to wonder if there is an issue with the boat. All boats sell eventually, perhaps it was not priced out properly in the beginning, or dirty or had some other negatives. Consider taking it off the market for a month or two and starting out fresh, hopefully using some of the above marketing suggestions. I have seen some very marketable boats on this site unsold over a year. This is beyond the point to reconsider a major price reduction if you are truly motivated, better to have 75% of your asking price than 0%.

hh. Be prepared to provide a clean, lien free Title or Bill of Sale upon sale closing. There are on line sites that you can use to fashion a Bill Of Sale should you need a form or a form specific to your State. Resolve any lien issues or other title clouds that may exist prior to closing and know what will be required of you or the buyer to satisfy the lien if the boat is financed. As a buyer you should also consider that some States require Sales Tax be paid on person to person transactions.
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1. DUMB THINGS NOT TO STATE IN YOUR AD!

"Powder coating has a couple cancerous spots that could be repaired"

"although dirty in pics, it is very clean"

"I'm listing this boat for a friend"

"Posting this boat for my cousin"
OK, is that your cousin Vinny?

"Have mixed feelings about this however gonna see how it goes"

"I will be posting pictures as soon as I get her out of storage (inside) and detailed"

"If someone closes by next Friday you can have her for $69,999.99 ........ ... after that it goes on market for 79k"

"Anyone know what's fair for this year/model? I'm way below NADA right now"

"Asking $56,000, Bank transfer or check no cash"
Why wouldnít anyone take cash? Cash is King!

" I won't bore you with ALL the specs/details because anyone really interested probably knows them already"

"email me and I will send pictures"

"This boat has been sitting for a while"

"$12,000 firm. If it doesn't go for 12 then I keep it another year"
[if someone offered $11.5k seller would not sell? Next year it'll be worth maybe $9k]

"Has not seen much use in the past 7 years"

"Needs a wash since I've had it at home for a few weeks"

"Call for more information (price)"


OK, you get the ideas, these types of statements are NOT GOING TO BE HELPFUL IN MARKETING YOUR BOAT!

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2. TIRE KICKERS AND OTHERWISE UNMOTIVATED OR UNQUALIFIED LOOKERS


"coming to the Keys in April so if she's still available may want to take a look"

"Can I give you a deposit until my boat sells?"

"I would buy it but I need Yamaha motors"

"I'll need to get the admirals approval"

"Can we do the Sea trial first?"

"Will you take a $100.00 post dated check to hold it?"

"Do you mind if some of my buddies come on the Sea trial?"

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3. HELPFUL AND POSITIVE PHRASES TO SELL YOUR BOAT!



" Well maintained very clean"

" Boat is in new condition,(ONLY 260 HOURS) Motors still under warranty till 2/17/12,stored inside"

"the engine has a warranty until 2013"

"email me if you have any questions"

"1 owner, bought new in 2004"
This boat has been dealer maintained with fluids changed every 50 hours"

"loaded with Electronics and meticulously maintained"

"Everything on the boat works and is in excellent condition"

"all service records are available"

"NEVER been fueled with Ethanol gasoline"

"I can help with delivery. In fact, within 3-400 miles, I'll have her delivered"


OK, Hopefully you get the ideas and Good Luck with your Sale!

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4. COMMENTS ABOUT ADS FROM PROSPECTIVE BUYERS

"Want some advice? Put a full ad in with details and pictures"

"you put a location and price in the thread title would make it a ton easier to brows"

"Place a poorly-detailed ad and your boat doesn't sell"

"The worse are the ones with no prices"

"the ones where a moroon is listing a boat "for a friend"

"Ever thought about taking those stickers off the sides? I think they take away from it's good looks"

"If you are not getting a lot of interest that means itís time for a change"

"Not sure if this posting is still active or not since the author doesn't respond to any postings or PM"

"Sorry but I had to vent! Just went and checked out boats for sale ads and what BS! Ads without prices, year of the boat and engines, electronics etc. Go to their link for details.... Hey, you put the ad HERE! That, and prices (far) above comps advertised elsewhere... "

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gotta post up pics mon!!!"

"He only tells that [the price] to you in person or over the phone...if you give the secret password ...."

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5. DILIGENCE! SCAMMERS AND OTHER MISCREANTS!
In these days of Internet scams check and double check with whom your dealing! There are lots of unsavory individuals attempting to purchase boats with counterfeit money orders, phoney bank drafts,
forged certified checks and other bogus instruments. Wire transfer or cash would rank best when conducting transactions. If you have any doubt about a money transaction consult your bank manager
or financial advisor. Stay safe from the scam artists!

Scam Scenario

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I recently listed my boat in The Hull Truth Boat classifieds. Over the weekend I received an email from an interested buyer who had all my information and asking price for the boat. This male wanted additional photos of the boat. He asked me about the price etc... Then he offered me a price for the boat that was reasonable. He told me that he would send me a check for $2,000 to hold the boat and another $2,500 to pay the transport service that was coming up to look at the boat that they were going to check out. ?????? You want me to pay the transport service, then he asks me for additional personal information that I know not to give and ask him for a phone call. He finally types back with an overseas phone number +4......... Hmmmmmmm I'm being scammed!!!
So I sent a message back, how about that phone call. Never got a response. This individual had a name attached to a GMail account. Sooooo please be wary. I talked to a friend at the FBI and they said it was a phishing scam out of Nigeria probably because they are seeing similar cases where people prey on other using classified ads. Not on my watch!! BEWARE. I have bought items through this website and thought it is my duty to inform others on this matter. I hate when a resource like this is misused what a shame.
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.....They want to pay you more money with a check that you deposit and then they ask you to pay the transporter. It takes the banks about 10 days to try to clear that check. They take your check and immediate go and cash it. then in 10 days when your bank attempts to clear it, it bounces and the bank takes the money back from your account. It amazes me how many people actually fall for this type of scam.
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MORE DUMB THINGS NOT TO STATE IN YOUR AD!

1. Price Reduced Again!

2. Final Price Reduction!

3. Best Offer!

4. If I Don't SELL It Now The Price Is Going UP next Summer!

5. MUST SELL!

These Statements give the impression you are desperate to sell and will encourage Tire kickers and other non-serious lookers.
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EPILOGUE


Hopefully you will come away knowing that the three MUST HAVE'S of Internet Boat Sales ARE:

1. POST PICS THAT ARE CLEAR,

2. POST MORE PICS!

3. STATE PRICE! AND LOCATION!

4. DETAIL or CLEAN THE BOAT BEFORE POSTING PICS!!

5. Make sure you are priced right for a buyers market!

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WHAT BOAT BUYERS ARE STATING!

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Maybe I'm just missing something but why do people post in the Boats for sale section and show a bunch of pics with the boat full of leaves, gear left out, dirt and mould in the storage areas and expect that people will believe they took care of the boat and did all the required maintenance.
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It's laughable. Trying to sell at 50-100k dollar boat but can't spend the change to get it detailed if your too lazy to do it yourself.
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And for the love of god put the city and state where the boat is.

It shouldn't be up to me to track down your area code to try and guess where the boat may be. Even then the boat could be hours away from where the phone number is based out of.
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It is a clear reflection of the owner. I always like the one where the boat is a total cosmetic wreck but they will say, "but I maintain the engine perfectly". Sure you do.
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What's even worse it the pictures look good, they tell you the boat is pristine, then you drive a few hours only to find a poorly maintained dirty boat. It's funny how they look surprised when you open hatches and see biology experiments growing inside, then they say "I do all of the maintenance". Exit, stage left......
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You never get a second chance to make a first impression!

Thats all I got to say!
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Originally Posted by paragod689 View Post
Post up two of the EXACT same boats. One filthy and the other just detailed at the the same price. Who's going to receive more calls/interest?

The Definition Of 'PERFECT CONDITION' as applied to a BOAT

A. No tears, mold, discoloration, scratches, cracks, latent defects, mildew, stains, trash/leaves, nothing less than fully 100% operational, gouges, cuts, barnacles, scum lines, broken skegs, dead batteries, ad infinitum.

It still amazes me how people try to market an upscale, expensive product as being 'PERFECT' when the pics reveal otherwise even to the most unsophisticated buyer.

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Final NOTE To Sellers

If you do consummate a Sale please be courteous enough to Edit your Ad to indicate the boat has been SOLD!


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Old 02-05-2011, 07:41 PM   #2
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Wow, you said it !!

Great advice. It's amazing the bone headed ads I read all the time. It's almost like a guy's wife has a gun to his head and he puts up an ad where he really doesn't want to sell it.

Either that, or some just aren't too smart.
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You were selling 03 Whaler, man
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Good post........I agree and have followed most of what he wrote. Sold my last 3 boats in less than 2 weeks once I started posting them. All sold off of forums, (THT and Spearboard) and one was trasported to Mozambique South Africa (yea I was a little skeptical of that deal until it finished). If I were to put emphasis on a few of the OP points it would be pics and price.
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Agreed, good post.

I'd add just one additional suggestion that worked well for me and my buyer last year. Most serious sellers will post information on Craig's and other lists. I found having one central website, to which I could direct all for detail was invaluable. It took me one afternoon to buy the address and create the site on my Mac using standard software: http://www.scoutdorado.com/Scout_Boat_for_Sale.html . I'm NOT a web geek or engineer; this was simple.

Making sure to include all detail as Schmaltz indicates above AND to keep the facts straight (what year were those batteries new?) helps the seller dramatically, and the buyer knows you're serious and that if you have this attention to detail in the sales process, you very likely pay similar attention to the rigging on the boat.

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Good tips.. I hate it when people take poor pics or barely any pics when selling a boat,rv,truck etc. and they leave it dirty when you come to look at it, are you kidding me? Some people are just plain lazy and dumb. Ive found that these ebay sellers are VERY good at making these adds.. check em... MANY pics.. a great description. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Palme...t_36418wt_1165
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This should be a sticky.
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You did a supberb job there my friend, hopefully people will catch on. I myself am ready to get "back in" and have been looking at numerous ads that just drive me nuts. Thanks for your advice, now if we can get every listing person to read that post.
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As the guy on the other side of Schmaltz Herring's sale I can only write please re-read his post and follow it.

I sold my prior boat only weeks before he posted his for sale. I loved my old boat but wanted to move up. I knew prior that any seller is not going to wait around for a buyer to sell his current ride. The only way to do that is price it right, show it right, be 100% honest with the potential buyer, and stop being in love with it.
Just because my old boat was set up perfect for me did not mean that a new buyer was willing to pay for every upgrade and electronic that I installed.

Do you want to move on or look?

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Excellent info, and I am glad it's a sticky. The information about photos is especially spot-on, and if I could add one thing I wish sellers would do: take an overhead photo that shows the entire layout of the boat from bow-to-stern. I really like the overhead layout shots with all the hatches open.
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That is one of the most comprehensive write ups on selling a boat, this information though seems logical is absolute gold.

Thank you very much for the post.

Everyone can get somthing out of this I am sure.

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I agree with everything except the cash part. I have serious concerns about walking around with $20-30,000 in my pocket.
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some good tips. a lot of nonsense. in particular i have listed boats for friends on this site 'listed for a friend' with good results for the seller & buyer...why is that 'dumb'?
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Been looking for a "wanted" section here as I've got nothing to sell but am "wanting" a used/older 29'-31'
trailer for my older 30' boat. Any help or direction would be taken kindly..............
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As a prospective purchaser, this forum would be much more useful to me if people put even just the two-letter state code in the headline. I really have no interest (and I'm sure most people feel the same way) in a boat that's 1500 miles away and I'm sure I've missed opportunities for local boats because I got tired of wading through posts from the other side of the country!
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Good points. You state international buyers are OK. I don't disagree but beware of scams. I had an offer from a person with a British cell phone number. It had been disconnected. The "buyer" offered to pay list price plus shipping if I would just send $10,000 for shipping fees to a NY account. I demanded a cashiers check. It was written on a valid bank, and looked legit. When I checked with the bank, it was a forgery. NEVER BITE WHEN ASKED TO SEND YOUR MONEY AND ALWAYS CONFIRM THAT DISBURSED FUNDS ARE VALID BEFORE RELEASING YOUR BOAT. THERE ARE PLENTY OF WOLVES OUT THERE LOOKING FOR SHEEP!
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UPDATED! Thanks to all who provided relevant feedback and tips!
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good advise, I was just about to post a boat for sale with only one bad picture, good thing I read this first.
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