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Random Quote: so what you are saying is, its exactly the same but completly different......
Hey, im not sure if anyone else has noticed this but....one of the Levees that failed- i belive they call it the "17th Street Levee?" is undergoing a major "patching" if you will, sand, stone, and every other type of fill material is being trucked in. I've always been into earth moving equipment since i was young so when the news paper came out after Katrina I took special notice to the John Deere 450H dozer that was in charge of patching this Levee that flooded a whole entire city. My initial thought was "wow..they only have one dozer not much bigger than a lawn tractor in charge of filling the 17th Street Levee which is a big part of the reason why the city is flooded." I was alittle surprised at this because I thought they'd make an effort to bring some BIG equipment in..since the repair of thios levee is so important.
Anyway..two days ago I took another look at the paper and another shot was taken of the Levee...well the Army Corps of Engineers still had the same small 125hp dozer on the job and NOTHING else. This may all sound stupid to some of you but coming from the mind of a 16 yr old...I'm trying to say maybe somebody doesn't want that Levee patched so quickly..
and yes the picture made me laugh...I hope that striper was released after the photo was taken?
Well the Army Corps of Engineers still had the same small 125hp dozer on the job and NOTHING else. This may all sound stupid to some of you but coming from the mind of a 16 yr old...I'm trying to say maybe somebody doesn't want that Levee patched so quickly..
I guess my question to you would be this. Is there enough room to actually have more than one vehicle out there, side by side?
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I think ReelWork has the answer. The 450's are a small machine, but still have plenty of power.
They are only making 2 or 3 push's per load, I would think that that would be plenty of machine to do this.
The pix was funny, but I kind'a shuddered at the timing that it was put up.
Way to much finger pointing and red tape now.
Speaking of red tape. Baumont,Tx. is supposed to have all kinds of deisel fuel ready to go. It need's to be gotten to the port in La. to get it going again. Their waiting on red tape.
Screw that. Make It Happen!
Being a contractor, the critical path for that work is certainly the dump trucks hauling in the material, not the dozer. One dozer could keep up with at least 100 dump trucks per day.
two years ago I watched the Army Corps of Engineers replenish 6 miles of beach in a few weeks..they used D7 and D8 Cats. I've seen fleets of 657E cat scrapers move thousands of cubic yards a day...all I'm saying is I think that levee coudla been repaired ALOT quicker...
I understand there is only room for one machine to work there but I think they could have brought in a bigger machine and a quicker line of dump trucks considering the flood's longevity depended on this levee...just my own opinion.
I can only imagine the torment and trauma going on down there, and my support and prayers are with everyone who lost or suffered........but that picture made me laugh out loud. And I'm a Republican.
John - 9/9/2005 9:46 AMBeing a contractor, the critical path for that work is certainly the dump trucks hauling in the material, not the dozer. One dozer could keep up with at least 100 dump trucks per day.
Agreed, i have many years of running dozers. Not me, but a good operator can keep up with that no problem.
Fixing that levee is just a small part of the battle that will have to be fought. I would bet all of the storm drains will be blocked up. This means any additional rains will add to the flooding. Also, there is a good chance that when the water recedes, a lot of the curb and gutter and asphalt may not be in tact. Not to mention what will have to be done with the saturated subgrade and unsuitable material before the reconstruction process can begin. This is going to take a long time and a lot of money. The price of materials was already on the rise before this storm hit. My prayers go out to all involved. There is going to have to be a good plan formulated for the whole process and it is going to have to take place in a timely fashion. In this situation, niether will be easy to come by.
like I said...coming from the mind of a 16 yr old from Jersey--its just what I observed in the paper..my own thoughts
also, why are they going to spend BILLIONS of dollars to rebuild the city if its 20 feet below sea level and this disaster could happen again next year??? If they are going to bother rebuilding they should at least build it up to grade.
Read through some of the expert opinion works done over ten years ago and you will find everything that came to pass was expected! There are many reasons that make sense not to rebuild but I doubt if it is possible to stop the show and listen to reason.
also, why are they going to spend BILLIONS of dollars to rebuild the city if its 20 feet below sea level and this disaster could happen again next year??? If they are going to bother rebuilding they should at least build it up to grade.
First off, I work for a company that provides equipment for land drainage pumping stations, and we do sell some engineered equipment from our sister company in the Netherlands.
The Dutch wrote the f'n book on land drainage. An incredible amount of their country is reclaimed land from the sea - not unlike New Orleans - and they have managed to avert disaster (serious flooding) for more than 4 decades. The reason this disaster happened is not because the concept of pumping water out of a leveed area is flawed, but because their system of levees and pumps is more or less outdated and not adequate for a Cat 5 hurricane. A consultant I met in my work who worked mainly in the New Orleans area said quite a few of their active pumps (still in service) were from the 40's or earlier.
That said, I'm very sorry this affected so many people, and no, none of our equipment is in New Orleans.
First, the photo is hilarious, and hopefully is causing fits and starts among those that need to see it most.
Second, why is everyone talking about failed levies? It wasn't a levy failure that flooded no, they were retaining walls along a canal that v\fell because the water going over the top washed away the supporting earth at the base.. There's a big difference between the two. The failed walls were just that, about 2 feet wide, and got washed out at their base. Levies may get topped, but the don't typically fail through breach of flood if well maintained.
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