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Buy cheap get cheap ! What do you expect for only $3,000,000 ?
I would say this will be tough to overcome for Bertram. Viking is probably smiling though,those guys really did take over,they took a marginal boat and made a great product.
what a true shame for all invovled...When this hull was laid up somthing went horiffically wrong and either nobody noticed it, or nobody cared to mention it... could have been a few disgruntiled employees in the laminating crew that said "we'll show these guys" .... In any event...a true shame, thankfully nobody was injured or killed....until the owner gets his hands around the right persons neck....!
Wow, that lay-up was massively resin-starved in the failed area. Also, as someone else said, there are huge voids in the glass/core area that shouldn't be there. In testing core materials for my Bertram rebuilds, I have NEVER had the glass fail like that-always in the core and only after massive stress (far more than would be encountered in the real world) was applied. That said, I'd never spend $3 million on a factory boat. Custom only at that number...
I believe I saw this boat off Palm Beach on Saturday. It was a beautiful boat. Is it reallypossible to make such a failure like this right again? Isn't it likely that the entire hull is at risk? How can this not be catastrophic for any builder, but particularly in this league? Quite sad actually.
__________________ Carpe Diem
01 Tiara 2900 Coronet
I believe I saw this boat off Palm Beach on Saturday. It was a beautiful boat. Is it really possible to make such a failure like this right again? Isn't it likely that the entire hull is at risk? How can this not be catastrophic for any builder, but particularly in this league? Quite sad actually.
That would be my concern. If the area that failed was so bad, how is one to know there aren't other areas in the hull that are poorly constructed as well? After all, it was all made at the same time, presumably by the same crew.
Beautiful boat, what an awful result. Lose / Lose for everyone except lawyers. Devastating PR for what equity is left in the Bertram brand. I would be well past P*ssd off if I was the owner and dropped $3million on that POS.
no one knows exactly what happened, this is tragic for all involved and for other Bertram owners.
Its a shame that it seems to almost delight some people at other's misfortune.
Imagine if this was a ________________- ( insert boat brand here ) and that was your brand of boat, I dont think so many would be quick to judge, I think if this was a more popular brand of boat on this board everyone would be blaming the owner more then the manufacturer.
if the owner of the boat is reading this- good luck to you and thankfully you are on the dock to speak about it and did not end up waiting to get rescued. Good crew to get back safely to the dock.
I was told by a reliable source that when they lifted the boat it crushed even more under its own weight. Remember the old add's that ran with the Bertram coming off of a 20' wave and the owner stating he was glade he owned a Bertram, well I think they should go back to that type of boat building "SOLID FIBERGLASS"
__________________ why is a mouse when it's spinning
A couple years back I was accidentally given the repair bill for a brand new large Bertram. Pages and pages of fixing stupid little problems, many of which sounded like poor engineering or shoddy workmanship. Things are clearly not getting better...
So y'all still think surveying a new boat is a waste of money? It's under warranty right? So what's the problem.......He had such good experience with the first one right?
Some people never learn.
Boats are built by people and people make mistakes.
__________________ Baitkiller= Accredited Marine Surveyor
Bait fear me, fish just laugh.....
The little Dutch boy was just buying time...
Thank you, I wish I had as much dexterity with a computer as I do in boatbuilding ( 53 and I just bought my first computer).
Yes I do have a fair amount of experience in all the facets of composite boat construction (I draw the lines, I am the lead laminator, the plumber, the electrician, you get the idea).... I entered the trades in the mid-70s, repair and construction, marine and industrial.
"Is this boat repairable" Almost anything is repairable, is it feasible, economically practical? Considering what would be required to establish confidence in a vessel with this boat's history, I doubt it.
I was told by a reliable source that when they lifted the boat it crushed even more under its own weight. Remember the old add's that ran with the Bertram coming off of a 20' wave and the owner stating he was glade he owned a Bertram, well I think they should go back to that type of boat building "SOLID FIBERGLASS"
Tony,
Wow you really hit the nail on the head. I remember that ad from the early 80's? Someone here has to post that ad!
Could this area be "repaired"? Of course it could be. But the better question, raised a few posts ago, was that if the hull is this condition at this point, what is the rest of the hull like. Commuter has the correct method of repair, which is undeck, build a new hull, and deck her again. On a 20', pretty easily done. On this girl? It'll cost.
Many years ago, I took a job with Hydra-Sports building their first 3000 Vectors when they were still at the old Sunbird plant in Columbia, SC. On hull #4, I drilled the mounting holes for the dynaplate, and liquid resin started to seep out of the holes and down the hull bottom. I wiped it off and continued to observe. More resin. Called my supervisor. He said to drill some additional holes and fill them with catylized resin. So I did. Then I went aft from the location of the dynaplate and drilled another 1/4" hole, and went home. Next morning, I showed him the unkicked resin seeping down the hull bottom.
The following morning, that hull was gone, and the next day a new one in it's place.
Sometimes, the right descisions are made. In this case, sometimes not.
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