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so the mods here changed the other forum site I had listed to read thehulltruth.com. gee, not like we all don't visit more than one forum website.
Tom
Yeah, pretty silly isn't it? Just FYI, I think it's a "feature" of the forum software, not the mods themselves (though of course, Internet Brands could change it if they wanted to.) There is a list of url's which trigger the substitution you endured. So we have to resort to the old "crawl-bot defeating" stuff, like, "take a look at flo rid a sport sman (dot) c o m" and shit like that, and that's what you'll have to do next time. Yeah, silly. (but sometimes ya gotta wonder.....)
Hello
this is my first post to this board, and my gratitude to fellow boaters from Malta in Europe in the Centre of the Med
so being brought here from Yachtsurvey to this post, it is fair to put some comments here
my question is this to you Sportfishers and Captains over here....
are the new Bertram so badly built, or was this just a bad crop out of a good harvest
over here in Europe Ferretti has a very good name reputation for its boats, so how this has happened....
I can understand why you have cartoon characters around your boat.....your a funny guy! I can't say anything bad about a Henriques, that's a no shit boat.
Rock on Becca Rose... relax and just watch the show go by, life is too short to get your blood pressure raised on an internet forum..
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Lets have a Sexy Party! 38 Henriques FB 2000 ~ 17 Montauk 1978
CB Haws - 1/26/2009 4:57 PM
MEK you are a freaking arse!!
First off, thanks for the kind words. Secondly I am a freaking arse, one that not only has been consulted by the owners attorney as well as Zurich (the owners insurance company) not to mention the FREAKING ARSE THAT PERSONALLY INSPECTED THE VESSEL YESTERDAY.
We can now put aside the speculation that the vessel struck something underway causing the delamination.
my friend in EU a French guy was interested in buying a 630 Bertram with Enclosed Bridge, but after this he is being afraid
he said he will consider the new Riviera 70 EB after this, is it wise?!?
how does a Riviera handle to a Bertram
I told home to look at the Viking but he does not like the EB look, and Hatteras no way cause he had a 38 which blistered and costed him a lot of money to solve its problem and all went into the drain
Becca you keep stirring the pot and you are doing nothing but attracting attention to this thread. If you were smart you would just shut your trap. That would be more helpful to Bertram than what you are doing.
This thread has no impact on Bertram, period. Sorry
becca - whatever credibility you had left just evaporated
my friend in EU a French guy was interested in buying a 630 Bertram with Enclosed Bridge, but after this he is being afraid
he said he will consider the new Riviera 70 EB after this, is it wise?!?
how does a Riviera handle to a Bertram
I told home to look at the Viking but he does not like the EB look, and Hatteras no way cause he had a 38 which blistered and costed him a lot of money to solve its problem and all went into the drain
Hi PowerYacht,
I think that you will have a bit of trouble finding real life experience on some of these new larger Sportfish models... I would suggest to your friend that he goes to a Yacht show where several models will be available, and have a sea trial on each model... This will give you the best sense of how these boats compare.
Best Regards,
Ryan
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yeah he is coming up to Miami or Palm Beach show I think...
he tryed already a few, for him it would be the Viking as he has a friend who got a 64 which he says is fabolous but he does not like the EB vers
for Bertram he like the clean lines and the just right flare forward, not too little not too much
I told him you can stillget a surveyor supervise the job and he said no way, I pay the 3 million for a boat and I have to look that its done properly, he says this is plain stupiod
I think a few points need to be made (possibly remade) here:
B) Bertram has built cored boats since 2000, and you don't see all of these 9 year old boats falling apart, so the notion that all newer Berts are garbage is a flawed one.
Thats not true. Bertram has been building cored hulls since the mid 80's, back in the day I briefly owned 37 hull #1 (which was started in 1985 and launched in 1986) whose hull sides were cored with balsa. Bertrams experiments with balsa nearly put them out of business during the recession of the early 90's ( http://www.denchomarine.com/articles/goodbud.pdf ), they also had problems with balsa cored hullsides just before Ferretti purchased the company.
Does this kind of failure happen with other companies? Sure. The problem here is that no one was able to cover up the problem. I was involved with storing a medium size SF with massive hull side delamination back in the early 90's, as soon as the problem occured the factory sent people over to cover up the damage, the boat was transported to a commercial marina away from prying eyes and was shrink wrapped until the factory and the owner came to a mutually beneficial agreement. In this case the second the guy in the cockpit took the photos of the outer laminate flapping in the waves and started passing the photos around he precluded taking care of this problem (isolated incident or not) in a discrete fashion.
CB Haws - 1/26/2009 4:57 PMMEK you are a freaking arse!!
First off, thanks for the kind words. Secondly I am a freaking arse, one that not only has been consulted by the owners attorney as well as Zurich (the owners insurance company) not to mention the FREAKING ARSE THAT PERSONALLY INSPECTED THE VESSEL YESTERDAY.We can now put aside the speculation that the vessel struck something underway causing the delamination.
I think a few points need to be made (possibly remade) here:
B) Bertram has built cored boats since 2000, and you don't see all of these 9 year old boats falling apart, so the notion that all newer Berts are garbage is a flawed one.
Thats not true. Bertram has been building cored hulls since the mid 80's, back in the day I briefly owned 37 hull #1 (which was started in 1985 and launched in 1986) whose hull sides were cored with balsa. Bertrams experiments with balsa nearly put them out of business during the recession of the early 90's ( http://www.denchomarine.com/articles/goodbud.pdf ), they also had problems with balsa cored hullsides just before Ferretti purchased the company.
Does this kind of failure happen with other companies? Sure. The problem here is that no one was able to cover up the problem. I was involved with storing a medium size SF with massive hull side delamination back in the early 90's, as soon as the problem occured the factory sent people over to cover up the damage, the boat was transported to a commercial marina away from prying eyes and was shrink wrapped until the factory and the owner came to a mutually beneficial agreement. In this case the second the guy in the cockpit took the photos of the outer laminate flapping in the waves and started passing the photos around he precluded taking care of this problem (isolated incident or not) in a discrete fashion.
My point was that the construction technique used in the 63 has essentially been used for all of their new models after being purchased by Ferreti. (Back in 1999 or 2000 with the 39, 45, 51).
who does not make cored hull sides today?
Viking, Hatteras, Buddy Davis, Ocean Yachts
the bottom is still solid for Bertram and thats what matters
the main problem but here seems more to be the Polyester then the core really
if Bertram wants to get out stronger from this, it should start to build all solid hulls, but then you have other aspects to think like noise levels and cost of time of manufecture
but hell it aint cheap eighter so I think they can put a solid hull construction with similar prices
I was gonna mention that as well, after someone commented the next failure could be a Viking, but I couldn't find it in print on the Viking site. However, I do remember reading a year or two back in Yachting or Power and Motoryacht that they were coring the big new model the magazine was reviewing, it was either the 74 or the next size down.
Edit-found it
deletethesecharactershttp://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/boat-design/viking-60-convertible/
from the 60 Viking review...
Complementing her hull, the 60 is built using composite construction that pairs high-strength bi- and triaxial knitted fabrics with a variety of core materials. Her bottom is cored with high-density end-grain balsa and then vacuum-bagged to achieve a superior bond to the hull laminates. Hull sides, decks, and the superstructure are cored with a lower-density balsa that provides the requisite strength and stiffness but with much less weight. Internal structural members, such as bulkheads and stiffeners, are cored with lighter-weight PVC foam. In short, all structures and materials are engineered to provide maximum strength without excess weight.
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