The birth of a Plate Alloy Offshore Monster - 34 Rock Salt - Page 2 - The Hull Truth

yachtjim · 08-27-2008, 04:46 PM

You can figure on a complete price of about $250K to include trailer, Twin 350 Yamahas, full electronics package - pretty much all decked out. This price of course can go up or down depending on level of finish, equipment, engines, etc. Construction timeline - as production is ramped up the time line will decrease to be similar to a glass boat. At this point hull number 1 was started in February and is now nearing completion.

bayrunner16 · 08-28-2008, 04:08 PM

ummmm boat porn...sweet

liwreckfisherman · 08-30-2008, 12:01 AM

I love both pilot house designs. ! Absolutely beautiful. The only thing I would change is the power. I'd rather have diesel inboards or diesels jackshafted to I/O's.

Sprockets · 08-30-2008, 07:27 PM

While we're on the subject of metal boats, we went to Alaska a few weeks ago and did a whale watching trip on a Bill Munson built 35 Packcat. If you scroll down to 35-5, that's the one we were on, the Silver Spoon. It was an awesome ride.

http://www.billmunsonboats.com/35photos.html

tunaorlater · 09-01-2008, 07:06 PM

I would love to see one of these companies come out with a 40ft pilot house diesel sportfisherman. Like Thomas Marine used to make on long island before they went under.

CousinEddie · 09-02-2008, 03:34 PM

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tunaorlater - 9/1/2008 6:06 PMI would love to see one of these companies come out with a 40ft pilot house diesel sportfisherman. Like Thomas Marine used to make on long island before they went under.

Here you go . . .

http://www.mooseboats.com

They build these down the road and you see a sea trial on occasion out on SF Bay. They are outrageous.

yachtjim · 09-04-2008, 06:01 AM

Here is a video of a sea trial. There are a few more on youtube too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2N0NHLOknw&feature=related

Nuke · 09-06-2008, 06:47 PM

I would expect that hull # 1 might be @ the Miami Show , going to wait and see .....

gregGradyfish · 09-07-2008, 09:15 PM

How hot does the metal get in the sun?

Nuke · 09-08-2008, 08:27 AM

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gregGradyfish - 9/7/2008 11:15 PM How hot does the metal get in the sun?

Maybe the most asked question . not very hot . to illustrate this try taking a hot aluminum adult beverage left out in direct sunlight for some time and place it in a container filled with a couple inches of cool water representing the ocean temp . What happens ? the aluminum assumes the temp of the coolest medium or to be accurate the colder water molecules absorbed the heat energy from the hotaluminum .because both substances are very good conductors of heat . so in conclusion although side walks in Florida can reach temperatures or 100 degrees or more the decks on an plate alloy will be closer to the actual water temps . I hope that answers your question .

Doug's Ambush · 09-08-2008, 01:56 PM

Yikes! Impressive!

The upsides to alloy sound a good argument. Any devil's advocates around that know their stuff?

Not trying to start a flame but just trying to get past my 'glass bias' ignorance.

Just brainstorming; Electrolysis? Differenetial metal corrosion considerations of hardware? Electrical gremlins or chance of shorted electrical arcing (is the hull ground/Earth or isolated)? Radio/Nav intereference/noise? Lightning? Can sea life detect any electric field and do they react?

Is it easier for Customs to find you on radar?<<<<<<<<< JK.......................

gregGradyfish · 09-08-2008, 04:38 PM

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Nuke - 9/8/2008 7:27 AM

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gregGradyfish - 9/7/2008 11:15 PM How hot does the metal get in the sun?

*Maybe the most asked question . not very hot . to illustrate this try taking a hot aluminum adult beverage left out in direct sunlight for some time and place it in a container filled with a couple inches of cool water representing the ocean temp .*** What happens ? the* aluminum assumes the temp of the coolest medium or to be accurate the colder water molecules absorbed the heat energy from the hot*aluminum .because both substances are very good conductors of heat . so in conclusion although side walks in Florida can reach temperatures or 100 degrees or more the decks on an plate alloy will be closer to the actual water temps . I hope that answers your question .

Thanks nuke, that boat surely has my respect

GS

RayMcL94 · 09-08-2008, 04:49 PM

wow that boat looks awesome cant w8 to see the final thing!

jbg108 · 09-08-2008, 05:02 PM

I'd love to someone build an aluminum boat similar to a CG 41 Utility. My father had one as a commuter boat. Give it a slightly larger house and traditional cockpit and it would have a market.

Allen Alby · 09-08-2008, 07:16 PM

I know I sound ignorant, but what material are these boats made of and does it get hot when exposed to the sun for a long time?

Luke G · 09-09-2008, 06:34 AM

Aluminium will get hot in the sun - especialy if its unpainted. If you keep splashing water on it will help. In the tinny in summer you have to lay towls on the seats to stop it burning you while barra fishing.

yachtjim · 09-09-2008, 07:47 AM

Hi Luke, I can imagine on a riveted tinny with aluminum bench seats they can get hot. But on a welded plate alloy boat basically all the metal is one piece, all sitting in the water, so they don't get hot at all. Any place you might sit has a cushion anyway. On my personal boat we have black non-skid, so you can imagine how hot you might think this could get on a 96 degree day, and while the boat is on the trailer it does get hot. But once in the water it cools right down to near the water temp. I typically operate this boat in bare feet, if it was hot I would not be able to do that. We do have a hatch on the front that is gasketed so it is not an integral part of the boat, this hatch will get hot and burn your buns on the hottest of days, but the rest of the boat is cool.

ziess21 · 09-09-2008, 04:34 PM

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Doug's Ambush - 9/8/2008 9:56 AM

Yikes! Impressive!

The upsides to alloy sound a good argument. Any devil's advocates around that know their stuff?

Not trying to start a flame but just trying to get past my 'glass bias' ignorance.

Just brainstorming; Electrolysis?

The only problems I have heard are from a couple of numbnuts that used brass plugs in the drain plug. Both boats sank in their slips after the drain plug area 'dissolved'.

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Differenetial metal corrosion considerations of hardware?

Not too much to worry about there for the most part. You don't want a random stainless bolt laying in the bilge or that kind of thing for long periods of time. The biggest problem I have seen is with canvas snaps and painted areas. They almost always corrode and cause the paint to bubble up.

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Electrical gremlins or chance of shorted electrical arcing (is the hull ground/Earth or isolated)? Radio/Nav intereference/noise? Lightning?

Not that I know of, but someone else can probably answer this better.

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Can sea life detect any electric field and do they react?

Make sure everything is grounded (including kicker motors) and zinc the hell out of the boat. I have fished a couple of boats that weren't grounded properly and weren't catching as any salmon as other vessels around. Its not scientific by any means but it was later discovered that both boats weren't wired correctly.

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Is it easier for Customs to find you on radar?<<<<<<<<< JK.......................

I would think so...

Anyone please feel free to correct me, these are just my experiences.

ziess21 · 09-09-2008, 04:35 PM

How do these bigger boats ride compared to comparable glass boats?

Doug's Ambush · 09-09-2008, 05:56 PM

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ziess21 - 9/9/2008 6:34 PM

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Doug's Ambush - 9/8/2008 9:56 AM

Yikes! Impressive!

The upsides to alloy sound a good argument. Any devil's advocates around that know their stuff?

Not trying to start a flame but just trying to get past my 'glass bias' ignorance.

Just brainstorming; Electrolysis?

The only problems I have heard are from a couple of numbnuts that used brass plugs in the drain plug. Both boats sank in their slips after the drain plug area 'dissolved'.

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Differenetial metal corrosion considerations of hardware?

Not too much to worry about there for the most part. You don't want a random stainless bolt laying in the bilge or that kind of thing for long periods of time. The biggest problem I have seen is with canvas snaps and painted areas. They almost always corrode and cause the paint to bubble up.

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Electrical gremlins or chance of shorted electrical arcing (is the hull ground/Earth or isolated)? Radio/Nav intereference/noise? Lightning?

Not that I know of, but someone else can probably answer this better.

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Can sea life detect any electric field and do they react?

Make sure everything is grounded (including kicker motors) and zinc the hell out of the boat. I have fished a couple of boats that weren't grounded properly and weren't catching as any salmon as other vessels around. Its not scientific by any means but it was later discovered that both boats weren't wired correctly.

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Is it easier for Customs to find you on radar?<<<<<<<<< JK.......................

I would think so...

Anyone please feel free to correct me, these are just my experiences.

Thanks for the reply!

Especially interested in the input regarding the 'electric field' and catch numbers. I remember watching a Cousteau special as a kid and a research team lowered an electrode down the wall of a circular tank. A reef shark that had been previously, endlessly, doing laps around the perimeter avoided the electrode by a good distance, and then modified it's swim pattern to the far side of the tank. I've also heard tales of "unlucky" boats that wouldn't catch on the troll, comparatively speaking, to the rest of the fleet. Some theories involved possible errant electric fields from improperly rigged or isolated electric accessories? Hmmmmmmm.

Good to know; if properly set up, it's not an issue with metal boats. Always just wondered. There sure were a lot in AK that I saw. I guess you all would know!