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Old 08-27-2006, 10:18 AM
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Default 1900 CC Maycraft vs.other Center Consoles

I just learned of this forum and have really enjoyed reading the posts. I would like to get your opinions on the ride and fishability of a few Center Consoles.

I currently own a 19' CC Maycraft (1900) with a 115 Johnson. I fish primarily in the middle to lower Chesapeake Bay (CBBT area). I like the layout of the boat and it has been very dependable. However, I am growing weary of bone jarring, wet ride. It has taken a great deal of the fun out of the few days I get to fish.

I am considering selling this boat so that I can purchase another Center Console, one with a little different hull design and more deadrise (the Maycraft only has 11 degrees at the stern). Due to a couple of restrictions, I am limited to about 20'. I am looking at the Kencraft Challenger (1900), Key Largo (1860CC) and the Key West (2020 CC). My question is this: Will making this change result in a dramatic improvement for me? I understand that a 19'-20' CC boat has its limitations but I would like to go out in a 2 foot chop without having to ring out my clothes and readjust my teeth at the end of the day.

The weight of these boats seems comparable but the deadrise and the flare at the bow appear to be the biggest difference. I want to make a change but not for change sake. I don't want to spend the extra money unless there will be a definite improvement.

Incidentally, I have located a 1998 Key West 2020 CC, T-Top with Curtains, Outriggers, GPS, VHF, etc with a 135 Mercury in excellent condition. The seller is asking $13,200. Is the price about right? I checked NADA and it seems a little overpriced. Also, what is a fair price for my 1997 1900 CC Maycraft with 97 115 Johnson and 97 Venture trailer? This Maycraft is no frills but in excellent condition (in fact, if rode better and drier, I would not consider getting rid of it.

What do you guys think; If I make this change will I be happy with the results? What are your thoughts on the above boats?



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Deadrise and flare are important... flare for dryness, deadrise for slicing thru the pounding. Also important is Tabs to change your running angle.
I used to run a 19 foot center console in inshore Gulf of Mexico chop and it had a pretty rough ride when I got above about 25 mph. That boat had a 14-degree deadrise at the back. I put the Bennett M120 trim tabs on the boat after the first few months of unhappy ownership, and it made a huge improvement in ride comfort. Being able to get the bow down so that the sharp angle forward would slice the wave rather than the flatter part in the back bouncing off the wave. So much better. My wife noticed the difference right away - lots less bouncing.
Regarding the pricing of that 8 year old Key West, that price seems a little high, but maybe not for your area or maybe the quality of the T-top, outriggers, electronics factored into the equation. I'm saying that its high only because of the age. You know, the "buyers market" is beginning now at the end of your summer season. There should be plenty of bargains offered in the next few months.
You need to be willing to travel, since the best bargains don't always appear at the end of your street... Many of the Boats For Sale sites have the ability to search within a certain radius from your location, or you can limit your search to certain states.
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Old 08-27-2006, 10:50 AM
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This forum has many Maycraft 1900 owners and I'm sure some will reply. But it you are happy with your boat other than the ride I would try trim tabs. Talk to Tabman in the Vendor Forum Section.
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I run a 20' Sea Hunt which is about the same size as your Maycraft and I agree with trying trim tabs. It made a big difference on my boat and even though it may cost several hundred to purchase you can install them yourself and as posted before Tabman will give you all the info you could want.
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Getting tabs is a good idea that will cost you several hundred dollars to try but will improve the ride. Spray it won't help, although in a quartering sea you can lift the wind side with the tabs and that will help some.

The 2020 Key West is a good boat that has a 19 degree deadrise and rides pretty good in chop, again tabs help. Pretty dry, too, but does not have a lot of room inside for its size, which is really not 20', because they count the bow pulpit. The euro transom cuts the walking room behind the leaning post but you trade for storage and that design. I like the boat, but I bought a Pioneer 197 (18 degree deadrise, lots of bow flare, quite dry). Not many of those selling used, but I love my boat.

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Old 08-27-2006, 12:56 PM
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Deadrise, and weight will make the biggest difference. Also look at the 19 Cape Horn.
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I am a relatively new owner of a 2006 1900. This is my third boat and after posting my initial impressions complaining about much of the same complaints you have (http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/t...ts=70#M1140775), I took the time and effort and learned to play with my Bennett tabs. Wow, what a difference. First weekend I had the boat, there was a 2 foot chop in the Peconic Bay and I either got killed with the tabs up or slowed to a crawl with the tabs all the way down. Only after getting advice from the members on this forum did I find my comfort zone. A very minor adjusting of the tabs down resulted in an amazing difference. Bow now cuts through the chop. Only bad thing about this is that you get pretty wet. Yesterday saw a steady 10 knot south wind resulting in a steady 2 foot chop by my neck of the woods. A slight tab adjustment and I just sliced right through them, though no hopping or bouncing (but I did get wet).

By the way, the 1900 has one of the best and steepest flairs I have seen on a 19 footer. (http://www.maycraftboats.com/models.html)

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Go find yourself a nice Dusky 203. I think you will be very happy with the results. 20 degree deadrise. It's made to venture offshore.

Other alternatives for your list: Although I've never been out on it, my neighbor seems pretty happy with his Cobia 194CC, which has 20 degree deadrise.

Personally, I would not invest in tabs at the point where you are. Yes, they will improve ride in a head sea , but I'll bet probably not enough to make you happy. They will not totally transform a boat. If you are satisifed with the ride, but it slams more than you like in a head sea, then, yes, tabs are a worthwhile improvement. Maybe somebody on the forum who has tabs will offer you a ride. I don't know if spray rails can be fitted, but they might help with the wet ride.

Just a wild guess, buy I'd think your Maycraft would bring about half what Ed's gets for a new one. Have you looked a boattrader for comparables?
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Old 08-27-2006, 04:56 PM
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What's your budget? Look at Hydrasport, Cobia, McKee, Parker, Mako, Edgewater, Sea Hunt to mention a few. Also log on to boats.com to see what's available used and for how much.
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Deadrise is not enough.

Factors affecting ride are a combination of waterline length, bow sharpness, forward V angle, how far Bow V Angle is carried back, boat width, boat speed, V angle where wave meets boat and finally how deep stern v angle is (the famous so called deadrise). All this factors add to a smooth ride.

If you look at the bow of good riding boats, head on, you will notice that forward end of boat is extremely sharp and carries that V angle halfway down boat. Other boats are fatter in bow. The fat bow boats tend to push into wave which slows them down a bit then rise when hitting a wave, ride up wave and not slice it very much. Then you get that characteric BAM BAM ride that we despise. The sharp v bow boats will slice wave and not rise as high above wave thus riding smoother. This is more like a whoosh whoosh ride that is much softer and comfortable..

The V in back only comes into play after you slice wave and/or are airborne.

Look at Contender/See Vee and a Panga head on and you will notice very little difference in bow surface that hits wave. Both are narrow, extreme V and sharp in bow. From there on aft they differ.

Everglades and Sea Hunt approach to deep vee is too carry waterline length as far forward as possible. This has a drawback when running downhill off a wave as it enhances bow steer if you ride with trim tabs down going into an inlet.

looking at one number in a combination of factors will not serve in finding a smoother riding boat.

You must first decide what Wave period is common in your area before deciding which boat length to pick. The period between waves determines how your boat will ride more than anything else. Some wave sequences are almost impossible to ride at speed because they launch boat from one wave onto other.

Two 18 degree boats same length will ride totally different at speed based on entry angle, waterline length and trim. A fat bow will slam and be uncomfortable, a deep v sharp bow will slice and be way softer riding.

A 4' wave is taller than most small boats bow to waterline height. Measure distance from bottom to where bottom meets side and that will tell you biggest wave you can hit and not break your back. People tend to exagerate wave sizes they meet..
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Rob: I don't know your boat, but I know your problem. My first boat was a 20-foot CC made by Flare. It had little deadrise at the transom and it was a very wet and poundy boat, although if I trimmed the bow down with the motor, then it pounded less. Also, if you don't head directly into the waves, it pounds less, but you get soaked if the wind is blowing.

I eventually replaced it with a 20-foot Grady 208 (WA). It's set up so it's easier to keep dry, and it just doesn't kick up the spray that my old Flare did, but it still pounds if you try to run straight fast into a 2-foot sea and if you angle into it, you get soaked if the wind is blowing.

You're not going to get a dry smooth ride in a 20-foot boat at planing speed. You can do better than you have, but it's not going to be smooth and dry. Slowing down always helps the bumpiness, but nothing will stop you from getting wet in a CC. Do try a couple other boats in that weather before you plunk your money down. I'm sure some of them will be better than yours, but you need to decide if they are enough better than yours.

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Thanks everyone for the great information. One of the posts mentioned the Cape Horn. I was fishing at the CBBT on Saturday and saw one for the first time. It was probably about 26' with new twin Evinrude E-Tecs. It was a BEAUTIFUL boat. I had a huge case of boat envy.

Anyway, after reading some of the posts, I have decided to move consider moving up a foot or two (21'-22') in size (I am close to getting the wife's permission which was/is one of the restrictions mentioned above). I am still looking at the same manufacturers although I really like the Sea Hunt's design as well as the Cape Horn and the Dusky. I have also looked at a Triumph. The other boats mentioned are all fine boats as well and I hope to find something soon. I am going to attempt to sea test a few of these first which is also great advice.

Thanks again for the information. If anyone has anything to add, please feel free. The knowledge and the first hand experience on this site is invaluable.
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Old 08-27-2006, 10:22 PM
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I feel your pain

I am also planning to make a change. I do not have tabs and I think it would be a hard sell for me even though I know there would be a difference. I will probably be looking into the range of 24-26 foot myself and the jury is still out if I do keep the 1900. It is a good boat, but I am putting a higher importance on the ride "to and from" rather than how it is at anchor and drifting.
Without getting into the "who is better" and without alot of research, I think that Grady White, Sea Pro, Sailfish, Mckee and Sea Hunt all have models you may be interested in.
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
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I'd also look at the Boston Whaler 190 Outrage. It handles rough water great and provides an excellent ride. It feels like a much larger boat. Plenty of "V", 60 gallon tank and the hull only is over 2000 lbs dry. The downside is the price. A little on the expensive side but I feel it is worth it.
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If you want that kind of ride in a 20-21 foot boat you need to buy a contender, regulator, or sailfish 21. That's about it. I've got a 21 Contender and I downsized from a 31 Fountain. This little contender will run through any 2 foot chop at 35mph with a nice ride and no spray. The others mentioned will be very similar. The little regulator will have a little worse ride then these others as it only has a 21 degree deadrise but is still a nice boat. These boats will run as well as most 23 footers but are a lot more economical to run.

The downside for you is they are all going to run 22-30k used, even if 6-8 years old. However, if you keep looking long enough you can probably find a good deal on one. However, word to the wise, if you do find a deal on one you better act quickly or it will be gone before you know it.

Take it from someone that's been there. I started out with a 19 foot Boston whaler that while nice does not hold a candle to these listed above in ride quality.
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If you want that kind of ride in a 20-21 foot boat you need to buy a contender, regulator, or sailfish 21. That's about it. I've got a 21 Contender and I downsized from a 31 Fountain. This little contender will run through any 2 foot chop at 35mph with a nice ride and no spray. The others mentioned will be very similar. The little regulator will have a little worse ride then these others as it only has a 21 degree deadrise but is still a nice boat. These boats will run as well as most 23 footers but are a lot more economical to run.
What he said and.... you've got to add to that list the Bluewater 21 (which I would put right with the Contender), and the McKee Craft 22 (which I would put ahead of the Sailfish) . The Sailfish 21 is a great ride, but some past posts have indicated it's a little tender (likes to roll). The Hydra sports 22 is another nice boat. If looking used, be sure to determine if the hull design is the same as the new ones, or an older design.

Some comments on Cape Horn. I almost bought a Cape Horn 21 instead of the Dusky, so I've done a lot of research on them and talked to the factory on several occasions. The construction is fantastic; wonderful no-frills fishing boats with good looks. The problem is there have a been more than a few conflicting posts about the ride and handling on the 19 and 21. Some say they are great, but some complain about ride and tendency to porpoise due to a fairly short waterline length. The factory indicates most problems are setup problems, and they can get them to run. I dunno. It also seems like the factory is focusing most of their energy on the 24' and up models. So I view Cape Horn as a boat I would be interested in, but only if I was able to conduct an extensive sea trail before purchase.

Twin Vee 19 or Caracal 18 cat is another direction to go for a great ride.

The Dusky 203 is not quite a Bluewater or Contender 21, but it IS just as tough as those boats and hard to beat for the dollar. It's design has not changed in many years. For first hand information on the 203, PM "fins" over on the FL Sportfishing Furum. He owned one for several years before moving up to a 233.
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What have you guys heard about the Logic 210? I have found a 2001 with a 150 Evinrude. I know Logic boats are no longer in production and the company was purchased by Triumphs. I have heard some good feedback regarding the soft, dry ride for a 21 CC' .

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What have you guys heard about the Logic 210? I have found a 2001 with a 150 Evinrude. I know Logic boats are no longer in production and the company was purchased by Triumph. I have heard some good feedback regarding the soft, dry ride for a 21 CC' .

I really like the Contender and the Regulator but that may be a little out of my price range at the moment.

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I just searched for comments on the Logic on this site. Looks like there are a few problems with this boat. I think I'll pass on the Triumph/Logic.
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rob go to virginia beach boats and get a seatrial on the 19ft capehorns,they are the only dealer in the area...the guy who owns it is a member on this board also..forgot his screenname though.
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