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Old 07-02-2006, 06:19 PM
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Hey Guys,

HAven't posted much but read the board daily. My problem is I have a 96 225 evinrude ocean pro that is wired like a 95(early 96 model). I started the motor before splashing the boat and all ran fine. I was just about ready to launch the boat and the engine just cranked with no spark. I played with boat for hours checking spark and little was accomplished. I pulled the boat out of the water and brought it back to the house. I pulled the flywheel off and checked the strator . The volt meter I had was reading 110 volts for the strator and was not gounded. I put the strator back and disconnected the kill switch. I also run the engine with premix and have the VRO disconnected. I then jumped the engine off the selnoid and pulled the port side spark plugs out and cranked the engine , NO SPARK!!

I have an old 87 225 evinrude and switched the parts out to see if it that was the problem. NO SPARK AGAIN! I took some time off for a few days and went back at it with a fresh mind. I dissconnected every wire and reconnected them by the manual taking my time. CRANKED AND NO SPARK!!!

My question for the forum is "is there a way to test the power pack or do I have to dish out 350.00 dollars for new one". ANd did anyone ever have this problem.

Thanks guys , this problem is driving me to my last nerve!!

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there is a shift interupt switch @ lower starboard side with a connector,disconnect and retest
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The engine should still start or at least try to start if the shift interupter was faulty because it kills only three cylinders. If you have no spark at all on any cylinders than you probably have a bad power pack. Another thing it can be is a bad key (ignition) switch. I had the same problem with one of my 200 HP Ocean Pros that I used to have. The engine would turn over but not fire. I took it to the shop and they disconnected the red harnes plug and connected a box with an ignition switch directly to the engine and BAM. It started right up. All it was was a 30 dollar key switch. Those key switches are known for going bad, I used to carry a spare one on the boat. I would try that first even though you jumped the engine from the starter, power to the power pack still comes from the key switch. Start with the 30 dollar key switch, those power packs are not known for going bad nearly as often as the key switch.
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Old 07-02-2006, 11:32 PM
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Thanks for the pointers guys. The shift switch was by passed by disconnecting the red plug. The OMC dealer that I drive nuts, tells me that jumping the engine from the selnoid and pulling the plugs out to see if there is spark . And there has been NO LUCK!! I'm going to the dealer tommorow to get the power pack . I'll tell you huys how it turns out.

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Old 07-02-2006, 11:58 PM
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Are you saying that you rewired a 1996 outboard with a 1995 wiring harness that is completely different? did it ever work OK with the wrong wiring harness?

Post the complete model number of the motor so we know exactly what you have.

If your other motor was a 1987, that used a completely different ignition system and two separate power packs. The output voltage was also opposite polarity of the '95-''96 engine. What parts did you substitute?


The power pack cannot be tested by itself, but with a process of elimination by performing the test procedures and using the specail tools, DVA apapter, and a quality meter. Any other way is usually quite expensive as you keep buying parts and guessing at which ones are needed.

Has the timer base been checked for resistance and correct output?
Was the timer base switching voltage checked using the special jumper wires?
did you disconnect the black/yellow wires at the pack to bypass the motor's wiring harness?
What were the DVA voltage readings on each set of charge coils?
Is the motor cranking over fast enough to build enough voltage to fire the coils? Many times no spark is the result of weak batteries, corroded or poor connections, or a dragging starter. The motor needs a good 350 rpm for a hot spark to develop.
What was the DVA pack voltage output at each primiary terminal on the 6 coils?
Was there any melted insulation dripping from the stator charge and power coils?
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If your changing the power pack you might as well add the optical sensor and interrupter disk also.
Went through the same thing a year ago. New power pack and optical sensor. Didnít change the interrupter disk. A few weeks ago the engine started missing above 4000 RPM. Went trough the coils and tested the charge coils, power pack and optical sensor. It was a cracked interrupter disk. As the RPM increased the vanes in the disk spread out and didnít trigger the optical sensor. Unintentional rev limiter.
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Timer base
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Old 07-03-2006, 08:26 AM
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If your changing the power pack you might as well add the optical sensor and interrupter disk also.
The optical (infrared) ignition is only on the 60į V4 and V6 motors 90-175hp, not on the big block engines.
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Timer base is on all v6 non optical, it plugs into the ign pack with 2 plugs and sits on the center of the stator.It triggers when to spark.I have changed three for customers this year alone.Pm me If you want a cdi box to try first I have a Loaner but you pay shipping.
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Old 07-04-2006, 12:38 PM
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Thanks guys for the wealth of knowledge, I just bit the bullet and bought a OMC powerpack and BAM!! " SPARK " . I'm probably going to save some money and replace the timing base so I have peace of mind. Once again guys , SItting down and typing to you guys really slows the thinking process for me. Now I can hit the fluke tournaments this month and maybe get the cash back.

THanks GUYS! Keith
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If your changing the power pack you might as well add the optical sensor and interrupter disk also.
Went through the same thing a year ago. New power pack and optical sensor. Didn’t change the interrupter disk. A few weeks ago the engine started missing above 4000 RPM. Went trough the coils and tested the charge coils, power pack and optical sensor. It was a cracked interrupter disk. As the RPM increased the vanes in the disk spread out and didn’t trigger the optical sensor. Unintentional rev limiter.
hi how are you ive been reading all these posts and they all have helped me along till now i just got a BW dauntless with a 1996 evinrude ocean pro 200 I recently had the same ignition problem and like a fool new to the game i went out and got a power pack before the 50 $ switch and my stater is new.....mind all my problems started with really old fuel getting in the carbs. I cleaned the carbs out all six and put in the power pack with new switch cleaned plugs motor sounds better then ever........But now at WOT im going about half the speed as i did and rpms do not go above 3000 . My question to you or anyone else out there is what would cause this problem: a bad optical sensor? or any other electrical part gone bad it seems it may be stuck in SLOW mode maybe do to a bad temp sensor that would keep the boat going over a certain speed could it be the shift interrupter?........Any help would be appreciated PS I also noticed i am going though a lot more fuel now at least more then before im not sure about how many turns the low rpm jets have to be
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Default 1996 evinrude ocean pro WOT issues

hi how are you ive been reading all these posts and they all have helped me along till now i just got a BW dauntless with a 1996 evinrude ocean pro 200 I recently had the same ignition problem and like a fool new to the game i went out and got a power pack before the 50 $ switch and my stater is new.....mind all my problems started with really old fuel getting in the carbs. I cleaned the carbs out all six and put in the power pack with new switch cleaned plugs motor sounds better then ever........But now at WOT im going about half the speed as i did and rpms do not go above 3000 . My question to you or anyone else out there is what would cause this problem: a bad optical sensor? or any other electrical part gone bad it seems it may be stuck in SLOW mode maybe do to a bad temp sensor that would keep the boat going over a certain speed could it be the shift interrupter?........Any help would be appreciated PS I also noticed i am going though a lot more fuel now at least more then before im not sure about how many turns the low rpm jets have to be
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I'm no expert but I seem to remember that those carbs need to be synchronized or they won't work right. Also, welcome but next time you will get better responce if you start a new thread.
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96- sounds like you have a bad temp sensor. That will put it in safe mode.
With the engine cold, unplug the temp sensor from the harness and check it with an ohm meter. If it has continuity (shorted) the sensor is bad. There will be no reading on a good switch.
I have been waiting for a sensor for my 97 130hp Johnson for over a week and the POS costs $77. for a dime size button with a wire coming out of it! Johnson parts distribution really sucks!
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96BW: I had the same problem once with my 96 ocean runner 200hp after sitting for almost a year ,would not go past 3000rpm rebuild the carbs and problem solved ,I know you mention you cleaned yours ,but can you explain?

When I did mine I left every single parts submerged in carb cleaner for 24 hrs and still some had to work really hard to clean some of the tiny little holes ,that was like four years a go and it's being perfect every since ,but I feel like doing it again just as a preventative maintenance .
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Are you saying that you rewired a 1996 outboard with a 1995 wiring harness that is completely different? did it ever work OK with the wrong wiring harness?

Post the complete model number of the motor so we know exactly what you have.

If your other motor was a 1987, that used a completely different ignition system and two separate power packs. The output voltage was also opposite polarity of the '95-''96 engine. What parts did you substitute?


The power pack cannot be tested by itself, but with a process of elimination by performing the test procedures and using the specail tools, DVA apapter, and a quality meter. Any other way is usually quite expensive as you keep buying parts and guessing at which ones are needed.

Has the timer base been checked for resistance and correct output?
Was the timer base switching voltage checked using the special jumper wires?
did you disconnect the black/yellow wires at the pack to bypass the motor's wiring harness?
What were the DVA voltage readings on each set of charge coils?
Is the motor cranking over fast enough to build enough voltage to fire the coils? Many times no spark is the result of weak batteries, corroded or poor connections, or a dragging starter. The motor needs a good 350 rpm for a hot spark to develop.
What was the DVA pack voltage output at each primiary terminal on the 6 coils?
Was there any melted insulation dripping from the stator charge and power coils?
Seahorse, I think he is talking about a wiring adaptor kit that was available when they changed over. It allowed a 96 or newer motor to work with the older wiring and tach. I think the alarms would sound but you wouldn't have the warning lights.
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the timer base is bad
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Default Black / yellow wire

As mentioned by seahorse....The very first thing with no spark at all...Disconnect the black / yellow wire (s) at the pack. This wire completes the "grounding out circuit" of the magneto through the key switch.
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