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I went to pick some parts from a Mercury/Yamaha dealer just south of Baton Rouge. They sell large numbers of loose Outboards. I looked in the shop area and they must have had 15 failed HPDI power head sitting on the ground, mostly 250 hp.
The guy behind the counter said that just about all the larger HPDI they sell have failed at least 1 or 2 power heads. He said people are lining up to buy them, knowing there are problems. He said that they sell them so cheap, with a long warranty that people just don't care if they fail.
He said they are selling the 250 and 300 HPDI for 9500 to 11000.
Hard to understand what people are thinking, with so many good choices of Outboards on the market today.
Nice advertisement. BUT, you forgot something VERY important about publicity, "ANY PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY".
So being that you obviosuly work for either Merc-tibomb or Evinrudy, stop giving FREE advertising and publicity to Yamaha, which already is clearly the BEST OUTBOARD MADE, PERIOD.
That said, The HPDI is by far the most reliable outboard motor every manufactured to date, period. And THAT is fact, whether you like it or not, it's FACT. The 250 and 300 models had a few problems the first few months they were released, but the were quickly solved those problems are no longer out there.
I believe the 300 HPDI is off the market. Wonder why?? As for outboards today every brand is a quality unit. Its the service afterwards that counts. As for Yamaha you could not give me one. Look at the cost of the parts for these things when they break. I dont like outboards that run on rice.
__________________ Yes im a ETEC dealer. No I am not in sales. Im not trying to sell anything. I will only comment on ETEC threads. No I do not bad mouth other outboard mfg's.
All these outboards make me dizzy, efi, dfi, etec, 4 stroke, 2 stroke, etc. What happened to the days of slapping on a 150HP and the only difference was the color of the cover? Must be a hard decision if you are in the market for a new OB.
SeaNile - 6/25/2006 12:39 PM All these outboards make me dizzy, efi, dfi, etec, 4 stroke, 2 stroke, etc. What happened to the days of slapping on a 150HP and the only difference was the color of the cover? Must be a hard decision if you are in the market for a new OB. --JK
You're right, it was easier then. Johnson, Evinrude and Merc were all about the same. Didn't matter.
Yamaha changed all that. No longer did we have to settle for a un-reliable, gas-guzzling, noisy motor. Two of the above American brands went belly up and the third tried to get the Feds to penalize Yamaha for building superior motors. Didn't work.
Next thing you know, premium boat builders refuse to stake their reputation on "other" motors and rig Yamaha exclusively.
No longer do we have to crawl inside the boat to tilt motor.
No more noisy motor flushing
One reliable guage on the dash takes care of everything
A membership in Boat Tow US and an Exxon gas card are no longer off-shore pre-requisites.
After 30 or so years of near perfect engineering and manufacturing (in the meantime closing 2 US motorcompanies and making fools of the third)...
Yamaha makes a mistake!
Back to the original topic (which I believe is a Yamahabash)...
Consumer "A" needs 600 hp. 2-300 HPDI's and five years of warranty will cost him about $26,000. If he has a Grady, Regulator, or other premium boat already riggedwith Yamahas, it's a bolt-on install.
Consumer "B" needs 600 hp. 2-300 Verados and five years of warranty will cost him about $44,000 and he will have to completely re-rig boat to accomodate the Verado "flight-deck" controls. He will also have to throw away his auto-pilot as the Verado stuff was not NMMA approved and won't work with the Verd stuffl
Do the mathand "Bring on the Rice (burners)"
I was in Hatteras last year with a friend of mine, who has a 26' WA with a single 250 HPDI. It lost 2 power heads just about a mile out of Pirate's Cove. All I can say is, I'm thankful that it failed before we were in the middle of Oregon Inlet. So now he has a completely rebuilt engine but, he couldn't use his boat for nearly the whole summer. But I still have faith in Yamaha in general, just not the 250 or 300 HPDI
can you say price. people are willing to take a shot for the $$$. A friend with his trade in motor that needed repairs just got a brand new 300 hpdi with warranty for 8500!
__________________ 23 Regulator
Twin 150 HPDI's
Smallest Fastest boat to the Canyon
Nice advertisement. BUT, you forgot something VERY important about publicity, "ANY PUBLICITY IS GOOD PUBLICITY".
So being that you obviosuly work for either Merc-tibomb or Evinrudy, stop giving FREE advertising and publicity to Yamaha, which already is clearly the BEST OUTBOARD MADE, PERIOD.
That said, The HPDI is by far the most reliable outboard motor every manufactured to date, period. And THAT is fact, whether you like it or not, it's FACT. The 250 and 300 models had a few problems the first few months they were released, but the were quickly solved those problems are no longer out there.
You die hards are hilarious. A few problems the first few months LMAO ROFL. Whoever mentioned the cost of parts is right on, 7-800 for a low pressure fuel pump that fails when a drop of water gets in it. Opti has the ticket with orbital design, no high pressures to deal with. Yamaha may make some good motors but they made some real DOGS too.
"the hpdi is the most reliable outboard manuf to date'".....bull !!! There have been,and still are MANY carbed 2 strokes that put the hpdi to shame....just go talkk to any dealer,or better yet a mechanic!!!
"the hpdi is the most reliable outboard manuf to date'".....bull !!! There have been,and still are MANY carbed 2 strokes that put the hpdi to shame....just go talk to any dealer,or better yet a mechanic!!!
Its sad to say but the day of the old carb 2 stroke is gone. I can say that im happy to see the 2 stroke gone in a way. The only thing we miss is the cheaper price of the carb 2 stroke. The Evinrude ETEC's have been turn key right out of the box, with very little failures. Yes im a Evinrude-Johnson dealer but the ETEC has been flawless for us with a few failures with the early 200 thru 250's. . And we do pump out ETEC's we are no small dealer so we have quite a few out there.
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Just about every big HPDI they sold has failed? I'd begin to question the shops' ability to perform proper service.
After hearing this, I called my mechanic, and he has had very little problem w/ the HPDI's. The old OX66's would occasionally have issues, but first, they aren't HPDI, and second it was almost always a result of less than ideal maintenance.
He said the primary, and occasional problems he's seen w/ the HPDI's are a clogged injector or two, and maybe a fuel pump.
Just about every big HPDI they sold has failed? I'd begin to question the shops' ability to perform proper service.
After hearing this, I called my mechanic, and he has had very little problem w/ the HPDI's. The old OX66's would occasionally have issues, but first, they aren't HPDI, and second it was almost always a result of less than ideal maintenance.
He said the primary, and occasional problems he's seen w/ the HPDI's are a clogged injector or two, and maybe a fuel pump.
That's interesting. I personally only know 4 boats with large HPDI's (250 or 300 HP) on them. All four are running perfectly fine. Only one, a now 3 year old 250 had any issues at all. It fouled it's plugs at about 50 hours the first season. The plugs were changed and something simple was updated per warranty recall (injector or something??) , and it has run like a champ ever since. The other three (two of which are twins), have had no problems, none. So that is 6 total motors, one having any kind of problems whatsoever, and that one, was one of the first large HPDI's sold.
Don't understand consumers. 
controls. He will also have to throw away his auto-pilot as the Verado stuff was not NMMA approved and won't work with the Verd stuffl
