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Old 06-10-2006, 07:33 PM
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Default Trim Tabs/ Vs Engine tilt and running hot?

Well I was out in my 2003 20' Proline Walk today with my 150 Mercury carbed motor...

I recently installed a pair of Bennett M120 Tabs... I trimmed the Bow down often today then the engine up as I did in the past without tabs... but after getting home and thinking about running a bit warmer today more than normal, I thought by running the tabs and the engine trim that way I could be pulling the motor out of the water further, reducing water intake and running hotter than normal...

Is this a valid idea? Should I run the engine trimmed further downward when using tabs to keep the bow down?

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Old 06-10-2006, 08:27 PM
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Default Re: Trim Tabs/ Vs Engine tilt and running hot?

Murph,

I asked a similar question and Tabman (Tom) gave me a great reply. Here it is:

Richard,

Good Question!

It is a common misconception that if a boat has power trim on the outboard or outdrive it does not need trim tabs. Power trim can be used to adjust the boat's attitude, but it is highly inefficient. A propeller is designed to force the boat forward. When trimming the boat with the prop, the prop must not only push the boat forward but raise the stern as well. In this situation, prop slippage is greatly increased thereby wasting RPM's. Power trim cannot correct listing, and is ineffective at slower speeds. Bennett Trim Tabs, in combination with power trim, enable both the hull and prop to be trimmed independently. The trim tabs trim the hull, while the power trim adjusts the prop. The result is optimum performance and efficiency not attainable by the use of power trim alone.



Here is a little "Trim Tabs 101" I wrote a while back for a magazine. I highlighted the part about using Tabs and Power Trim.

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Getting and Staying Trimmed

All boats assume different fore to aft attitudes at different throttle settings and vary in sensitivity to lateral weight distribution.

A boat’s optimum running attitude is determined by the operator. While some people may define optimum running attitude as the highest possible speed for a given amount of engine RPMs, others desire the best possible fuel economy, yet others may be trimming the boat to get just the right mix of speed and wake (such as for waterskiing.)
Optimum running attitude is when the boat is running to the operator’s satisfaction for the given operating conditions. There are as many optimum running attitudes as there are boats and boat owners

A good way to determine a boats optimum running angle (see side bar Optimum Running Attitude) is to run the boat lightly loaded at full speed in calm water. During this test observe the boat’s bow in relation to the horizon. Most boats run at or near their optimum attitude under these conditions. This should give you a feel for the appearance of the wake and bow spray when running at an efficient attitude. Note that not all boats will achieve their optimum running attitude under these conditions. Some boats will benefit from extra lift even when running at their maximum throttle settings. If you feel the boat will benefit from added bow down trim when running at speed start with the trim tabs fully up and deflect the trim tabs in short bursts. Be alert to changes in the boats handling, as you bring the bow down. Observe any changes in RPMs and/or speed. Adjust power trim if applicable.

Indications of Running Untrimmed
When a boat is running untrimmed the bow spray will exit the sides of the boat far aft. The stern wave (wake) is high and curling like a breaker on the beach. The rooster tail is high and close to the stern. The engine is laboring and the ride tends to be less smooth.

Indications of Running Trimmed
The bow spray moves forward and is flung not as far from the boat. The wake diminishes in height, as the rooster tail flattens out and moves away from the boat. The engine is operating under less load as evidenced by the tachometer and speed as well as sounding “less strained”.

One Step at a Time
The key to obtaining optimal results from trim tabs is to operate them in short “bursts” and let the boat react before making another adjustment. The amount of time between corrections is influenced by the size of the trim tabs and the boat’s speed. This will help avoid overtrimming or ending up with one tab too far down when correcting lateral trim. You will quickly become acquainted with a boat’s particular traits.

Take Off
Properly sized trim tabs can significantly reduce the time needed to get up on plane. They also allow a boat to keep its bow down and stay on plane at lower speeds.
As the throttle is advanced the stern of the boat begins to squat, lifting the bow. As the boat accelerates, push the bow down position of the helm control in short bursts. The boat reacts by the stern lifting, the bow coming down, speed increasing, and reduced engine laboring. If you over do it and deflect the tabs too far the boat will end up overtrimmed. When over trimmed, the steering becomes “over sensitive” and wants to pull off course to port or starboard. If this occurs, operate the control “bow up" until the desired attitude is established.

Getting the Most from Power Trim
Adjust the trim tabs to achieve the desired running attitude. Then use the power trim to position the propeller thrust parallel to the water flow. If necessary, re-adjust the trim tabs to fine tune the attitude. By observing the boat’s speed and engine RPMs the best combination of trim tabs and power trim will be apparent. Trim tab angle indicators and a power trim angle indicator are particularly useful in duplicating effective settings.

Trimming to Sea Conditions
When running into a head sea you want to trim the bow down so the sharp forward sections of the boat do their work cleaving the waves. This provides the most comfortable ride and minimizes stress on the boat (and passengers). In a following sea the tabs should be fully retracted for maximum steering response.

Correction of a List
As previously mentioned the normal control setup for trim tabs operates in relation to the desired changes in trim and not the actual movement of the tabs. Therefore, do not think about what the tabs are doing, but rather on the control and what you want the boat to do. As above, make the corrections in bursts and allow the boat to settle to the new settings. You may find it easier to correct the boat’s fore and aft attitude before you correct the athwartship trim.

Correction of Porpoising
Operate the tabs in very short bursts of about half a second. Continue until porpoising subsides. The objective is to have only a very slight amount of tab deflection, just the amount needed to cure the up and down motion of the bow
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Old 06-10-2006, 08:35 PM
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Hey Richard, Thank you for your great reply...

I'm gonna have to print that up and take it with me next time I go out... alot of information there....

Sounds like I was overtrimming... Also, when the engine got warmer I was in the RPM ranges, where it definatley was laboring... I new to this outboard stuff with tabs and need to be more sensative as to what works best for different conditions...

Thanks again!
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Default Re: Trim Tabs/ Vs Engine tilt and running hot?

Murph, I have a 99 Proline WA with a 150 Merc carb. What do you consider "warm"?
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Wagon1,

Well not sure how accurate the gauge is, but about 200 degree range... when running normally I'm usually 150-175... I'm due for an impeller renew, so I'm sure that's not helping my case...

But I notice when I try to run 15-20 MPH, the motor usually seems to be bogging down and heats up.. above or below that speed the temperature is in the normal range for me....

What kind of temps do you normally have?

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Default Re: Trim Tabs/ Vs Engine tilt and running hot?

Thanks Murph! I'm about the same range, right about 150. I had a spike last week, went right up to 200 then back down. I figured I had something on the intake. It's been running a bit hotter since, about 160+. I hate to loss 2 weeks on the water this time of year, but I'm going to bring it in.
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