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Old 04-27-2016, 04:27 AM   #1
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Default Anyone using the Fell Marine Wireless Kill Switch?

Seems like a pretty nice unit. I troll solo a lot and am in the market for a good wireless kill switch. Through Google I found their website, but as of now they only have one US retail outlet, so I imagine they are relatively new to the US market.

It appears to have a cleaner dash install than current offerings and I like their bracelet approach - I'd be much more likely to wear it versus a clip-on device.

I have no idea of price or real-world performance, though. Anyone using it?

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very interesting -

looks much more "2016" than the last-century design of the Autotether

although a bit more work to wire in the base unit

the only pricing I found in a quick look was $200 euros = ~$226 at the moment
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Old 04-27-2016, 06:53 AM   #3
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I had the same impression. Looks pretty modern.

I found a 'Contact Us' link on their website and have asked for pricing & availabilty info.
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It certainly has a nice form factor. Much more modern. So that is a plus for sure. A negative I see is it replaces the kill switch, so now there is a new fangled wireless device that can prevent your boat from running. One glitch and you could be stuck. I wonder if there is any sort of manual override on it. The last thing I would want is electronic gadgetry with the final say over whether the boat will run or not.
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I want to get more info to determine if it completely replaces the kill switch. There appears to be an override if the wristband fails, but I don't know about the case if the main unit fails.

In addition to the PITA that would be, I run Suzuki's and toggling the kill switch is the method used to reset codes and oil change intervals, so I need to keep that ability.
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Old 04-27-2016, 10:14 AM   #7
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Default Looks cool but how to buy?

I have been in the market for a kill switch and this looks amazing...but, their website is awful and partially written in what I think is Russian. You can't buy direct and it only points to 3 vendors in the US and none of those 3 seem to have any sort of an online purchase ability.

Seems like a great idea but looks like it is not quite ready for prime time just yet.
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I want one too. Looks like this can be wired parallel to the existing kill switch. It doesn't say if it can be bypassed if the wrist batteries fail but it does say the engine can be started by others on the boat if the wrist band kills the engine.
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One of the US retailers (or the distributor, can't be certain), responded to my query of last evening. Nice to get same-business day attention.

The unit will sell for $249.00 and will be available in late May.

While their diagrams show the use of a diode splitter (from Mercury?) to kill multiple engines, the wiring diagrams on their web site don't really show if the WiMEA totally replaces the kill switches or is in parallel to them. That answer may differ by outboard brand, as some use NO and some use NC.

I've asked for clarification on three areas:
- wiring connections especially for dual kill-switch scenarios; the web site diagrams aren't intuitive
- my Suzuki motors use the kill switch to reset codes - will that functionality still exist?
- is there a way to completely bypass the WiMEA if the head unit fails?

He said he should have more info for me late next week. I remain very interested.
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I like the functionality of that better than the auto tether that has a mechanical pop out solenoid on the kill switch. I will be onboard with this when they get it out there. As far as a mechanical switch bypas for total failure, a bypass switch could be installed to jump the contacts in an emergency if their electronic bypass failed. I like it and feel the need to tether all the time with the horror stories out there.
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One of the US retailers (or the distributor, can't be certain), responded to my query of last evening. Nice to get same-business day attention.

The unit will sell for $249.00 and will be available in late May.

While their diagrams show the use of a diode splitter (from Mercury?) to kill multiple engines, the wiring diagrams on their web site don't really show if the WiMEA totally replaces the kill switches or is in parallel to them. That answer may differ by outboard brand, as some use NO and some use NC.

I've asked for clarification on three areas:
- wiring connections especially for dual kill-switch scenarios; the web site diagrams aren't intuitive
- my Suzuki motors use the kill switch to reset codes - will that functionality still exist?
- is there a way to completely bypass the WiMEA if the head unit fails?

He said he should have more info for me late next week. I remain very interested.
Please get back to us when you get the answers
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Old 04-28-2016, 04:47 AM   #12
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I've had Autotether on three different boats and have had good luck with their product (and support when I've had a problem). That said - the Fell Marine product looks very slick. I read the instruction manual and you can wire it and still keep your existing kill switch. For engines that have short to kill, you wire this in parallel with your existing kill switch. For engines that have open circuit to kill, you wire it in series. That way if the Fell Marine unit fails, your existing kill switch still works. The one thing is that you'd need to leave your existing lanyard in place for both to work.

Looks like a cool product - I may try one out.
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Subscribed I would like to get this for my bay boat. Waiting to heard from some of you experts about this.
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Default Answers from FELL Marine

Thank you all for the interest in the MOB+ Wireless Cut-Off Switch.
We highly appreciate it and we are now looking forward to launch the product in the US. The product will launch at ICAST this week and will be shipping in the following weeks. Feedback from people like you is highly appreciated, we also find it great to see that many of the concerns we have had when developing the product are the same as you have. This shows that the efforts to build a high quality product addressing these necessary and imperative features and challenges has been important. MOB+ is a leading edge wireless marine system, built to give you safety and freedom onboard your boat without compromise. No sudden stops, no sudden glitches, not a wireless system that interfere with other systems. You should not need to think, the product is built to always work. Having one year of proven track record on the product makes us able to say this with great confidence.

The product is now available to buy from our online store, buy.fellmarine.com, that can also be accessed through www.fellmarine.com.

You can also visit Amazon.com where you can buy the product online.
Direct link to MOB+ Wireless Cut-Off Switch Basepack: https://www.amazon.com/MOB-Wireless-Cut-Off-Switch-Basepack/

Pricing starts at 179USD MSRP for the Basepack, and 19.99USD MSRP for the xBAND and the soon upcoming xTAG can be added for 19.99 USD MSRP to allow you to choose how you want to wear the system.
We will be as aggressive as we can to build up many local retailers for the product and our upcoming product lines in the months to come. Thank you again for your comments and for sharing your thoughts on the MOB+. You can find our answers below. If you do not find our answers satisfying please find us on facebook.com/fellmarine or write to us at [email protected].

- Christian Frost Roine, CEO, FELL Marine


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It certainly has a nice form factor. Much more modern. So that is a plus for sure. A negative I see is it replaces the kill switch, so now there is a new fangled wireless device that can prevent your boat from running. One glitch and you could be stuck. I wonder if there is any sort of manual override on it. The last thing I would want is electronic gadgetry with the final say over whether the boat will run or not.
Thank you for your comment on the design, we highly appreciate it. As boaters we have thought of this problem and realized that this is an important point to address with the product design. In general, the system needs to be reliable, as this is the only way this product category can have a right to live as a safety system. Therefore, the MOB+ is made with high quality components, and with the latest in electronics and wireless technology, proprietary technology. Still, there will always be a law of great numbers present. We therefore developed two ways that you can override the MOB+ system:
1. If the xFOB is out of battery, lost or for any other reason does not work, you can press and hold the button on the xHUB boat unit for 13 seconds to manually enter Override mode. This turns the relay position to ON according to NC/NO depending on your engine, allowing you to start and run the engine. The Override mode will last for two hours before it shuts down, but you can at any time put the system back in Override mode to have two more hours to override the system. The xHUB is also designed so that the relay needs power to hold the position to allow the operation of the relay to be in ON mode (engine running) meaning that if the power or the unit fails it is designed to only stop the engine, not let it run.
2. Completely bypass the system: In the very unlikely event that the xHUB fails, you can mechanically override it on the cables. Attached to the cable leading to the xHUB (the kill switch signal wires) is a jumper hat. Simply disconnect the IP68 connector on the back of the xHUB and insert the jumper hat. This will allow any engine NC/NO configuration to be started and run.
Please see www.fellmarine.com/support/#faqs for more answers to similar questions.


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I want to get more info to determine if it completely replaces the kill switch. There appears to be an override if the wristband fails, but I don't know about the case if the main unit fails.

In addition to the PITA that would be, I run Suzuki's and toggling the kill switch is the method used to reset codes and oil change intervals, so I need to keep that ability.
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Seems like a pretty nice unit. I troll solo a lot and am in the market for a good wireless kill switch. Through Google I found their website, but as of now they only have one US retail outlet, so I imagine they are relatively new to the US market.

It appears to have a cleaner dash install than current offerings and I like their bracelet approach - I'd be much more likely to wear it versus a clip-on device.

I have no idea of price or real-world performance, though. Anyone using it?

https://www.fellmarine.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ-18Q0sZAI

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One of the US retailers (or the distributor, can't be certain), responded to my query of last evening. Nice to get same-business day attention.

The unit will sell for $249.00 and will be available in late May.

While their diagrams show the use of a diode splitter (from Mercury?) to kill multiple engines, the wiring diagrams on their web site don't really show if the WiMEA totally replaces the kill switches or is in parallel to them. That answer may differ by outboard brand, as some use NO and some use NC.

I've asked for clarification on three areas:
- wiring connections especially for dual kill-switch scenarios; the web site diagrams aren't intuitive
- my Suzuki motors use the kill switch to reset codes - will that functionality still exist?
- is there a way to completely bypass the WiMEA if the head unit fails?

He said he should have more info for me late next week. I remain very interested.
Please see the answer above regarding how to override the MOB+ and the xHUB.
Suzuki uses the kill switch to toggle a reset mode after service etc. as you say. This is done by toggling the kill switch on and off, in most cases cycling 3 times within 10 seconds. This is done in the exact same way with the MOB+ xFOB. Just click ON and OFF on the xFOB button 3 times within 10 seconds to disconnect/connect the kill switch to emulate this cycle.
You can connect the MOB+ in parallel or series with your existing kill switch. As ksgoldman wrote: I read the instruction manual and you can wire it and still keep your existing kill switch. For engines that have short to kill, you wire this in parallel with your existing kill switch. For engines that have open circuit to kill, you wire it in series. That way if the Fell Marine unit fails, your existing kill switch still works. The one thing is that you'd need to leave your existing lanyard in place for both to work.
Looks like a cool product - I may try one out.

-Wiring for dual kill switches
In cases where the MOB+ is to replace one of two existing kill switches it is connected like normal either replacing the existing one or in parallel/series to it whether or not the user wants to keep it. After the installation the MOB+ has to be conected, like the kill switch has to be in, for the engine to start.

-Suzuki code reset
Yes, please see above answer about Suzuki, copied in here: Suzuki uses the kill switch to toggle a reset mode after service etc. as you say. This is done by toggling the kill switch on and off, in most cases cycling 3 times within 10 seconds. This is done in the exact same way with the MOB+ xFOB. Just click ON and OFF on the xFOB 3 times within 10 seconds to disconnect/connect the kill switch to emulate this cycle.

-Is it possible to completely bypass the MOB+
See answer above to @yachtjim


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I want one too. Looks like this can be wired parallel to the existing kill switch. It doesn't say if it can be bypassed if the wrist batteries fail but it does say the engine can be started by others on the boat if the wrist band kills the engine.
Please see the answer above on the two ways of overriding the system in the case that the xFOB is lost or out of battery, or in the unlikely event of a failure to the xHUB boat unit.
When the xFOB inside the wristband shuts down the engine from a man-over-board situation the xHUB switches the relay to OFF for six seconds to shut down the engine completely, this mode is called the MOB Mode. After 6 seconds the xHUB will automatically engage Override Mode, and any passenger on board can restart the engine without the need to engage with the system, allowing quick rescue of the missing person in the water. To reconnect the wristband after a MOB situation, simply disconnect from Override mode by clicking once on either the xHUB boat unit button or on the xFOB button, then click once more on the xFOB to reconnect as normal to engage the kill switch and start the engine.


Thank you all for your interest!

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Christian, thanks for the responses. Seems like a very well though-out product.

Might I suggest an "introductory price" to entice folks to put them in use, so we can get some first-person feedback?
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Christian, thanks for the responses. Seems like a very well though-out product.

Might I suggest an "introductory price" to entice folks to put them in use, so we can get some first-person feedback?
EXTREAMLY interested!!

gotta THT or INTRO price?
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Can multiple fobs be paired with the unit at the same time. The scenario Im trying to create is where everyone on the boat would have a fob so in the event anyone were to fall overboard, not just the operator, the unit would shut down the motor and draw attention. Thanks for your help
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How could you rig this up for diesels? They normally have a energize to run fuel solenoid. Or at least mine do.
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Can multiple fobs be paired with the unit at the same time. The scenario Im trying to create is where everyone on the boat would have a fob so in the event anyone were to fall overboard, not just the operator, the unit would shut down the motor and draw attention. Thanks for your help
I have an Autotether that I have not hooked up to my new engines yet, but I would be interested on this one if
1- what realmiami31 said can be done
2- good THT introductory price
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