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Old 08-24-2002, 07:03 AM
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I am intrigued and would like to find out more about the "new" 21 cc rotomolded boat made by triumph boats.

Any inputs on this is greatly appreciated.

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JG:

Try a search for Triumph boats and you'll get some good feedback on these boats.

I checked them out at the boat show and was impressed with the hull planeform, quality and the value.
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Do these have good enough deadrise and bow height for light offshore use?
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Old 08-24-2002, 06:09 PM
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I just came back from Johnson Marine in Ontario and checked out their 21 cc Triumph.

I am impressed with the hull structure and material used but the question you posted is excellent (kysard)

- Is the deadrise sufficient
- Is the bow height good enough for offshore use

I was visually matching the boat with a Parker 21 and it seems to me that bow height of the parker is much much more.

Any more inputs on these is appreciated. Thanks to kevdog and kysard.
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jq, I have Triumph's 170CC. 13 degree dead rise. I use it inshore, nearshore and lake. Mine's a nice "utility" boat. Plastic is considerably lighter in weight than the glass. In the 17' I find the boat responds more readily to waves than a glass boat and consequently rides a little rougher than a glass 17' due to mass. I don't think you can compare the Parker to the Triumph. Most obvious to me is the difference in money spent will be colossal. Contrary to what you may hear, plastic is the future.

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I would think for nearshore you would be fine, 20 miles + , I would possibly reconsider. The Triumph though not as high or stout as a Parker is NO WHERE as heavey as a Parker and will tend to be more bouyant and ride up over the waves as opposed to riding through them.This is the characteristic that does not bode well for far offshore work where seas of 3-6 ft are the norm.If you pick you days, sure it is doable, but truthfully, I would not be 20+ miles off in a Parker either of the same size,I don't believe they are reputed to be unsinkable with positive foam flotation at that length. You may want to check further.

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I test drove a Logic back when they were Logic, and I didn't like it. It was too slow for the motor and it seemed to flex waaayyyy too much.

Now, if in fact the flexing dosen't hurt the boat, that's fine, I just don't want to deal with a flexing boat.

The salesman had to screw the console back into the hull of the boat I test floated. Apparently, the roplene is indestructible, but it dosen't hold screws very well. I saw a bunch that were backed off, and this on a boat that had seen very light use.

I have also heard of consloles on the Logic boats coming unglued in very heavy conditions.

I think a tiller controlled Logic is a good boat.

Also, the 15 on up is not self bailing, check that out as well.

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One thing to consider with a roplene hull is repairs to scratches, nicks & anything worse as I've never heard of any way to repair a plastic hull [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img]
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I'm in my 3rd season in a 210 w/ a T-top. Logic replaced my first boat after the 1st season due to an attachment problem with the T-top. No problems at all since then with the top. Not a single screw has backed out. I use it primarily inshore (<15 miles). Due to light weight it does ride high on the water which requires a different touch on the throttle. The 210 is self bailing. It has better than level floatation. I lost the bilge pump in year one while away for a few weeks. The rain filled the bilge and the boat settled down to the point where the water was seaping up through the floor and moving in and out through the scuppers. It could sink no further. A glass boat would have water lapping over the gunwales or sitting on the bottom. Ropalene is bouyant. Throw a piece in the water and it floats. Toss in a piece of fiberglass and watch it sink. Cockpit depth is great, especially for kids. Can't beat it for the money. None of my guests feel cheated that they caught all those fish from a plastic boat! Biggest gripe? No dry storage except in the console
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I am going to try to correct so misconseptions about the Triumph 210CC. I've owned one for a short time now, and I am very satisfied. The screw problem is true on the older models (they supposedly corrected this in the newer models), but is the result of using really small screws in the manufacturing process. It can be easily fixed and is covered under warrenty. As far as power is concerned, I have a single 150hp engine that pops my on plane in 2 seconds and maxes out around 45 mph. Power is not a problem. As far as weight, yes the boat (at least the 2002 and earlier models--min's a 2001) weighs only 2100 pounds. However, like sized Sea Pros, Sea Hunts, Carolina Skiff Sea Chasers etc. weigh about the same or even less. Maycraft, which is reputed to be a heavy boat, has a 20' model that is 3" shorter and 6" narrower. It weighs 100 pounds less, but if it were the same size, it would only be 150 punds or so more. Boston Whalers, Edgewaters, and Grady Whites do weigh 500 or so pounds more in their 22' models as does Sea Pro's 22' model, but their hulls don't flex. The flexing, while initially disconcerting, does take alot of the pound away. My boat's gone 40 mph+ in 1-3' seas without functionin trim tabs (they weren't hooked up) without excessive pound. In fact, it was a very comfortable ride which really impressed the experienced offshore fishermen I had with me. They were talking about taking the boat 60 miles out. I have talked to numerous owners of triumph 210CCs, and one in my area ook it out that far. Another had it in 8' seas. He said it was scary, but the boat showed no problems. The models after 2001 have a lowered bow for cosmetic reason, which resulted in a tough ride as a result of the loss of the original hull's steep 70+ degree entry. The company responded by adding 200 pounds of weight and a "hook" in the keel. I don't know if this did the job so you might want to check that out. I do know that I am very happy with my 2001 hull, and I am not afraid of taking it out in seas in the 4-6' catagory, which is the most you can expect for a 21' boat. By the way, Parker doesn't make a 21' model. More than likely, they compared the Triumph to the Parker 23' model. The Triumph looks big for a 21' boat, and is beautiful on the water. Just beware of the screws which are, again, really shoddy. My friend also had hi livewell collapse, but I do believe that that problem is an abnormality. Triumph, of course, took care of all these problems, but that meant time off the water.
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This has now become a very interesting thread and I thank everyone for the informative replies.

I am now more convinced that it really is a good boat value-wise and a keeper for a long time.

One more question though - the dealer I went to had Yamaha 115 HP 4 stroke as standard equipment. He had no performance specs available- Is this power satisfactory for this boat or is a 200HP HPDI yamaha preferrable?

He also mentioned the fact that in California HPDI will only be good up to 2006 because of Emissions Issues.Any inputs to this?

Again many thanks to all who replied especially to Bill and Huger.

I am new to this thread but it is turning out to be a real goldmine for a forum.

Thanks everyone!
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jq,

I don't think you have to worry about the 2006 standards until 2006. In other words, if you're already running the engine, you should be able to keep running it, but the manufacturer has to sell engines that meet the standards that model year.

Although if you live in California, I wouldn't be surprised if the nutty politicians out there do things different than the rest of the country!

Good luck, Mark.

(P.S. HPDI! that would have that boat a flyin')

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Like I said I've got a 150. I think for a boat this size and weight, anything less than a 135 would be a bad idea. One of the triumph boat owners I talked to had a 150 and then stepped up to a 200 a year later if that helps. Just remember, the 115 will have to work harder to push the boat, and will consequencely be less fuel efficient. Triumph recommends motors in the 140-150 range. The only four stroke in hat catagory is the Honda 140. Both Evinrude and Yamaha make 150s that are fuel injected, which is very fuel efficient. I like my Evinrude, but Yamaha has a better track record, and knowing what I know now, I would go with Yamaha.
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Too bad Genmar took over Logic and Lowered the front bow after 2001. It is just like them to improve asthetics and sacrifice utility.
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I have a Triumph 190 bay boat and so far I have been verry happy with it. I have never had a problem with screws backing out. When you install screws you need to use Sudbury elastoneric marine sealant and you will never have a problem. My boat is self bayling. This boat is easy to fix if you have any nicks or scratches. This is one tough boat, you can hit it with a sledge hammer and it won't hurt it. This boat has a transferrable life time hull warranty. I don't think Triumph would offer that if they thought the flexing issue was a problem. I don't think a 115hp on the 21ft Triumph will be enough motor.
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When I was in the market for a new boat this past winter the Triumph 210 was one of the ones I looked at. My local dealer had one that he had outfitted with a 200 HPDI yammie and the rest were fitted with 140 4 stroke Hondas (i think they were Honda) Anyways, in the course of my research I ran across a couple of reviews that indcated that the 200 hp was a tad to much motor if you prefer to slow troll when fishing, but was just great for everything else. They also tested with a 150 yammie and reported that the motor was sufficeint for the boats needs. If I recall I found the reports on BoatTest.com and the other on Sport Fishing Magazine Online.
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Mine's got a 150. It came with a 15x17 aluminum prop. This year I switched to a 15x17 Piranha composite and lost about 5 mph and my WOT RPM's jumped 400. I called the folks at Piranha and they explained that their 17 was actually a 16 and suggested I use 19 pitch blades (which are actually 18). Problem solved and performance is better than with the original prop. The boat jumps up on plane. It's sort of like a 21' jet ski. The dealer I bought from wouldn't put a 130 Honda on without a written disclaimer about the scuppers being underwater due to the weight. The waterline is just below the scuppers now so I think he may have been right. The Honda is 100+ lbs heavier than the Johnson 150. By the way, after a confounding fuel restriction problem the first year (solved by 5-6 filter changes)I've had zero problems with the engine. Starts first time every time and runs great. I hear they're even better now.
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Here's some data on engine performance with these plastic hulls: two performance bulletins on the Yam web site, the firs tis a 200 HP on the 210 CC....the second is a 150 on a 17-footer.

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products...1214-TPH-Z.pdf

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products...1213-TPH-Z.pdf

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i have 3 seasons on my 15 ft c.c. logic/triumph, great boat if you can get past the dull look. i havent had any probs with screws backing out, and have had it in some rough stuff up here on erie. i was told you could fix bad gouges and scratches with a heat gun. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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