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Old 01-25-2006, 06:14 PM
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Anyone have any experience with the Luhrs 36 or 38 opens? How do they take the seas? What do you think of them?
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Anybody have any experience with the Luhrs 36 or 38 opens? How do they take the seas? What do you think of them?
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Currently have a 2003 30' open. was on board a 2006 38' open at the AC boat show in September, my wife and I loved the boat. You're going to get a lot of bashers respond i would guess, but justify their comments unless they've actually owned a newer 2000+ Luhrs. We boarded several boats in their size range, kept on coming back to the Luhrs - this from my wife. We could have made the trade if we were ready to make some major re-allocations of our money, but, we would have to curtail our lifestyle. We decided to wait a couple years. The Luhrs we have now with yanmar diesels hasn't caused us any problems and we've already put 600+ hours on her. Of course, we've replaced a few minor cosmetic type problems, but, as for now, I'll still be one who champions Luhrs. We're not pretty people but we love to fish.
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I have never owned one but I almost did.....I was in the process of buying a mid 90s 29 open and it failed the survey miserably to say the least. Major structural issues. major tabbing in all the forward compartments, hidden water damage under the teak and holly sole, moisture in the stringers and extremely poor quality wiring and plumbing work. The Surveyor told me point blank when the salesman wasn't around that this was typical for other Luhrs he has looked at. Granted a newer boat will certainly not have these issues but what would concern me is what will happen to my newer boat when it isn't so new any more. Do your self a favor, I took the advice of my surveyor. Just look at the size and shape of the stringers on a luhrs and then go compare them to a Bertram, Albemarle, Carolina Clasic, Blackfin, Rampage, Pursuit, Phoenix, Topaz, Hatteras or any other boat. Hey, listen I work real hard for my money. I own my own business and typically work 60-70 hours a week. I am in the construction business so at least half of those hours are spent in the trenches.....literally..... When shopping for a boat of that size, look past the pretty fabric on the cushions and the shiny Formica in the kitchen and look more towards the "meat and potatoes" of the boat. You can do better than Luhrs for your money.............
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I own a 2000 38 Express with twin 450hp Cummins. I use it to fish more than for pleasure. I run to the canyons off NJ all the time. It runs great and is very economical. I have never had a problem with the boat. Most guests I take offshore fishing are very, very impressed with the way the boat runs.
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offshorebri, just wondering, what boat did you buy?
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I have never owned one but I almost did.....I was in the process of buying a mid 90s 29 open and it failed the survey miserably to say the least. Major structural issues. major tabbing in all the forward compartments, hidden water damage under the teak and holly sole, moisture in the stringers and extremely poor quality wiring and plumbing work. The Surveyor told me point blank when the salesman wasn't around that this was typical for other Luhrs he has looked at. Granted a newer boat will certainly not have these issues but what would concern me is what will happen to my newer boat when it isn't so new any more. Do your self a favor, I took the advice of my surveyor. Just look at the size and shape of the stringers on a luhrs and then go compare them to a Bertram, Albemarle, Carolina Clasic, Blackfin, Rampage, Pursuit, Phoenix, Topaz, Hatteras or any other boat. Hey, listen I work real hard for my money. I own my own business and typically work 60-70 hours a week. I am in the construction business so at least half of those hours are spent in the trenches.....literally..... When shopping for a boat of that size, look past the pretty fabric on the cushions and the shiny Formica in the kitchen and look more towards the "meat and potatoes" of the boat. You can do better than Luhrs for your money.............
excellent advice given here....during this time frame the factory had a team that went around repairing a void problem they had with their boats...check out the little things on those boats-example the quality of the hardware used-these things give you a clue as to the quality of the construction...you can do better....
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Take a look at the 38 Rampage. I was far more impressed with it fit and finish wise. I haven't ridden the Luhrs but was also very impressed with the Rampage's ride.
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Buy the Rampage and you will spend $200K more. Nice boat but not worth that kind of money. I fished a 04(I think) Luhrs 36 Open. I will not tell you whether it was good or bad, just my observations. The boat rides good but very bow high, maybe not a bad thing. Vinyl is a little on the thin side. Boat and interior are very pretty. 465 Yanmars made the boat run great and pretty darn economical. Personally loved the transom kill box. Easy access to the engines. Steps down from the helm deck to the cockpit are a slip and fall hazard when wet(no non-skid on the step edges). Personally did not like the stbd helm arrangement but it did make the bridgedeck wide open. Big cockpit. Cheap rod holders that should be replaced(and were on the boat I fished on), cabin had a leak that was never fixed or found(2 identical boats I know of had the same leak). Big fuel tanks. Reasonable price. Some silly wiring issues but every boat I have ever been on has some silly issues that make you scratch your head.

Would I personally buy one? Yes. Is it better than a Bertram, Rampage, Hatteras? Don't know and don't care, not even close in price range. Did I feel safe on the boat and would I fish it again? Absolutely.

Do not compare it in any way to the 29 Luhrs. The 29 Luhrs had many many problems of which most if not all were rectified with the new 30. If you want a straight shooter Luhrs dealer, just let me know and I will tell you who I recommend to talk to. I do not own a Luhrs, I own a late 80's Viking, just so you know.
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Old 01-25-2006, 08:09 PM
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Like Bruce said. There may be a lot of bashers. But I for 1 have owned 2 and will most likely own a 3rd. Had a 95 Open and loved it. That boat would take about anything you could throw at it. Did we have troubles, yes a few. We also had a wet cabin floor. A/C condensate drained into bow floor and to bilge. 4 years out of hull warranty and they paid the tab for the parts. Basically split the bill with me. I thought that was fair. Bad design issue. When I sold the boat there was a damp spot on the front deck by the hatch. These were the only real problems I had with this boat. For some of the naysayers its a boat, what do you expect for something that sets in the salty marine environment. Some things are going to happen.

Sold the 32 in 04 and bought an 04 36 Convertible. I absolutely love it. Also has 465 Yanmars that run great. It cruises at 27k and gets a mile per gallon. Pretty good foe a 25k lb boat. I wont bash the other boat that are mentioned because I have never owned one. I think the Albamarles and Carolina Classics are great as well, friends of mine have owned these. The Albe a friend owned has been in the shop more than he cares to mention. And the Carolina had a bad pair of diesels in his. Peninsular never could fix them. Just goes to show you they all can have issues. Sorry for the rant but I have owned 2 and close friends have owned a couple. In all honesty they are a good boat for the money... I cant imagine you would be sorry if you get one. Make sure it has a good survey.

In answer to your question. The 32 open I owned was nice and took the seas well. The 36 is not the open but has the same hull design. The 38 a buddy of mine owns and he is also a 2 time owner he has the convertible, but again same hull. His a 03 and ours is 04. Both run well with no issues.

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Old 01-25-2006, 08:12 PM
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Was on the 38 rampage at the same show, I liked it, me wife didn't compared to the Luhrs. There's a Ramp dealer down here where I live in NJ, we went and checked it out at the boat show and after. The length, beam, and weight of the Luhrs was more than the Ramp. I'm going to also allow that I didn't ride either the Luhrs or Ramp. I didn't get too involved with the Ramp, but I can attest that I crawled around every bit of the Luhrs from bilge to tower and didn't see anything that would have thrown up a red flag to me.
I'm probably a bit biased, but as I said earlier, I've had only minor problems with my '03 Luhrs so far. The wheels that are standard are manganese/bronze - I switched to Nibrals. The 315 Yanmars are a bit too slow for me. 300G's of diesel, few hundred pd's of ice, 6 men aboard, all rods/tackle, beer/food, we cruise out at around 23 knots. Burning fuel all day, coming back, we usually come back in @ 25/6 knots. I regularly go out 40-70 miles, but the boat always performs well. If I had to do it all over again and be able to afford it, I would buy the 38', which I was told by the dealer cruises @ 29.
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Bruce, I went with a 29 Phoenix with diesels.....The real kicker.....I bought it from Clarks Landing in Point Pleasant, used of course, and the irony is that they are a Luhrs dealer... The salesman, Jason (I believe that was his name, I bought it 6 years ago), told me personally that Luhrs are a "mass produced type boat" and not a top tier boat.......Interesting coming from a Luhrs salesman ahy????? The surveyor, Capt. Cozen of south Jersey has now surveyed 3 boats for me through the years. I put a lot of faith in him and his judgement. Check out what Pascoe has to say about Luhrs as well.........

I mate on a 35 Bertram and clearly the captain is biased. He has owned several boats and his advice has been priceless to me. He tried talking me out of the Luhrs before the survey but both my wife and myself thought that boat offered the most for the money and the wife certainly preferred the interior of the Luhrs. I just wouldn't feel comfortable with the TRACK RECORD of Luhrs right now compared to some other similar's.................
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That is a shame because I don't think a 29 Phoenix is any better than a Luhrs. I thought you were looking for a 36' Luhrs Open? The 29 P is a world of difference. I have also fished on a 35' Bertram and they are everything they are cracked up to be but with many trade-offs. Luhrs, espcially the newer Luhrs are no worse than many other boats out there.

Oops, wrong guy. You were looking at the 29 Luhrs. In that case, you got a better boat. I didn not have a problem with the constuction of the 29 Luhrs but the unstable ride was horrendous. I know I will get bashed for that statement but I fished that boat for most of a year and hated it. Always wanted to ride on one side of the hull or the other, never upright and flat.
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The 30/31 Luhrs is a completely different boat than the 29 - which was reborn in 2004 as the 28. The 28/29's LOA is 29. The 30/31 is 34'4", 4 inches shorter than the 32 Luhrs. It's dry weight (boat only, no add ons) is 13,500lbs whereas the 28 is 10,000. Also has prop pockets. I fished a 29 down in Florida last year, the ride was completely different than the 30 I have although the boat still looked extremely well even though it was a 93. As I stated earlier I regularly fish 5/6 people pretty far offshore, rarely do I use the trim tabs. Don't know if the prop pockets make a difference or the weight, but the boat gets up on plane quickly, doesn't rock/roll with people moving about. Just wish the boat was a bit faster.
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I looked at both the 38' Rampage and the 36 and 38 Luhrs. Personally I liked the Rampage better, although they were both very nice boats. The Luhrs was a nice boat but I just thought the Rampage seemed to have a little more attention to detail and was set up better for what I was looking for. As far as cost, the 38' Rampage I almost bought is a new never titled 2004 that the Rampage dealer in Port Washington WI has been sitting on for 2 years now ( not a lot of demand for that type of boat up that way). I think the guy would probably let it go for around $350k with everything but a tower included. Not trying to derail the thread, but just wanted to mention it because it seems like it could be a good deal for someone.
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I also have heard of the unstable ride of the 29. The salesman that sold me the 32 said he owned the 29 for a year and traded up to the 32 as well. From what he told me the 29 had a narrower beam that gave it a lot of rock and roll at drift or anchored. None of that problem with the 32 or longer.
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I am told by a Luhrs dealer that the opens are so loud in the helm seating area that you have to shout to talk to somebody sitting right next to you. Any comments on this?
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:27 PM
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I would not say it is that much worse than other boats i have been on. Mine was powered by gas motors, diesels might be louder.
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I love all the "I was told" stuff. We BS all the way to the fishing grounds and back on my 40 Express. Sometimes a 3 hr. ride. Yes, any express boat is going to be louder than a flybridge boat. Mater of fact, when I test drove the boat I was suprised how quite the boat ran.
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Hey, I was told a lot of stuff . . . and I read a lot of stuff here . . .

But we have a few luhrs in our marina. . . .A mid 90's 29ft ahd bunch of newer ones as well. I haven't seen any of them with any major problems.

And most importantly(OK, not most important but it always comes down to "vanity"), Luhrs are probably one of the most beautiful boats of their size in the industry. If you're not drooling after glancing at the large cockpit and the "carolina style" flare, then you DO NOT have a "salty" bone in your body. Luhrs are absolutley gorgeous. . .



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