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Old 12-11-2002, 04:51 AM
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Now that its cold the stripers seem to like the 2 to 2.5 mph trolling speed. I can only get down that slow going into some wind. Engine idle is as low as it will go and stay running and still get down to about 3.5 mph on slick water with tabs al the way down. Tabs down dont really do anything at that speed. I am running a 20p suzuki prop on a 225 suzuki and a 23'er that puts me at max rpm at wot trimmed. I could go down to a 18p but dont think that alone will make that much difference at the bottom end. Maybe a 16p or a after market 15p al prop. Not worried about speed at this time of year. Looking into those trolling flap but most of those you have to drill the cav plate and I really don't want to do that. Seems like someone would make a clamp on model. Anybody got any ideas. Draging a drift sock is out also.



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quote:Originally posted by Hawkeye:
Draging a drift sock is out also.

I guess that means a 5-gal bucket wouldn't work either. That was the only idea I had...
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Billy,

Shoot me an E-Mail, ( tandjlm@westco.net )I've lost your address with the new computer.

I've got a 15" pitch prop (Michigan Wheel Rapture, 3-Blade Stainless) that should slow you right down, you can use it if you like, just pick up the shipping to you and back in the spring.

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Old 12-11-2002, 05:06 AM
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Default How can I slow down my trolling speed????

I'd say drag a sea anchor or just bump the boat in and out of gear. Been fishing for kings like that for a long time.

It's time to develop the variable pitch prop for outboard use!

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Old 12-11-2002, 05:25 AM
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Default How can I slow down my trolling speed????

Ditto on just bumping the engine in/out of gear. Thats all we do when trolling live bait for stripers.
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Hawkeye...what's wrong with a bag out each side, 42-48" diameter? You tie them off the spring line cleat with a 3/8" rope; long enough to stay in the water, short enough to stay out of the props. They stay right on the side of the boat; not under it. Most boats up here run them all the time...keeps the RPMs up to keep the batteries charged too. We run them on a 28' Rampage inboard and my 24' Whaler outboard. Have you tried them? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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Thanks for the ideas. The bags would work but cant get in the way of landing 40 lb stripers. My spring line cleat is right beside my helm and would probally run back about between my 2 rod holders. On off the bow and under the boat might work. Might just try a 5 gal bucket off each stern cleat. Only problem is fishing line might get into them. I was more interested in one of those flaps that mount on the cav plate that blocks the thrust, just I want one that you dont have to drill holes in the cav plate to mount if there is such a thing.



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Old 12-11-2002, 07:24 AM
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How about tilting the engine up so the prop is barely in the water. Directs some of the thrust down instead of forward.
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Could you rig a big electric trolling motor?
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Old 12-11-2002, 07:27 AM
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I run on one, lower the tabs all the way, put second engine in gear, trim the one thats running all the way up to reduce its bite, I know this is for a twinn, but trimming up does help, turnning your wheel left to right bleeds off some forward speed as well, I refuse to put my lower units through the in and out of gear thing, I have been able to slow to 1.5MPH using the above combo.

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Old 12-11-2002, 08:28 AM
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How about installing a kicker bracket and running a small outboard. It might not be the cheapest option, but it might even get you back in one day if you got a 9.9 or 15 HP. If you didn't want it to be truly a kicker you could get a 2 HP or something real small. Might not be much more than $1,000.

If you don't already have trim tabs, Lenco makes a product called the Troll-N-Tab in a couple different sizes. It's a 24 V system with up to 164 lbs of thrust. Check it out .....



The lowest cost option that I know of is the Minn Kota cavitation plate mounted troll motors. I know you didn't want to mount anything to the motor though. Just in case you change your mind check these out .....



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Hawkeye...I gotta get back to those bags. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img] They do not get in the way of fishing, we land 25-35# salmon all the time. The spring line, next to the helm is the 'perfect' location. They only hang back about 6-8' or so. That trolling plate 'thing' we tried for years...they definately work, but you've got to remember to put the up. Happy Toller is one brand. There is also a 'beaver' tail style that's on springs...it goes up when you take off. You have to bolt them on. Most of us have tried them all...most of us now use the bags (for the last 10 years or so). Besides those trolling plate look like sh** when not in use. There just not nautical! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img] I'm done! Thanks for listening. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
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Hawkeye,
I know you said you don't want to drill into your cavitation plate, but if you decide you do, I have a "Happy Troller" that I have been trying to get rid of for a while. It's one of those plates that bolts onto the cavitation plate and flips down over the prop for slow-trolling. Had it on my old boat but took it off once when I was replacing the water pump impeller and never put it back on. My current boat goes slow enough as it is, so i don't need it anymore, but it works great. Let me know if you (or anyone else) is interested.
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Mumblerone , my boat is only a 23'er. 6 to 8' back will be in the way for sure. Maybe off the bow will work as someone else has mentioned on another board. I only need it for the late winter fishing when the water is real cold. We were catching them fine at 3 to 3.5 mph when the water was 48 deg. Thanks again.



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Hawkeye... the method Mumblersugested is used on the Great Lakes and Lake Champlan. The first time I saw tge method of used was for Lake Trout on Lake Champlan and the Great Lakes. The captain I fish with uses either one or two bags them to controll the speed. I had 2 made from canvas and have used them on the Chespeake Bay to control my speed for stripers it works. My boats idol speed is 3.5 mph it will slow the boat to less that 2 mph, you can either use one on each side or just put one over on a side at a time. I have seen them used with as many as 6 to 8 rods at a time using with downriggers. I have neve had or seen a tangle. Give it a try it realy it is cheap and works great. You can make your own bags out of canvis which cuts down on the cost.

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Wow, 6 or 8 rods on downriggers with 2 bags of sand hanging over the sides and no screw-ups. That is remarkable!!!
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Now, Gil Morgan we gotta get it right. We start out with four downrigers, two rods each OK...that's eight rods. Then we put out the side planner boards; one each side...three rods, each board; now we have 14 rods out. Lets put a little frosting on the cake and toss out a couple of flat lines over the transom. That's 16 rods...NOW we're fishin. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] Oh, the bags are out, too (without sand). Now, where's the beer before the 'chinese fire drill' starts? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] Oops, almost forgot to drop the color camera down on the dedicated down rigger. Now we can watch the whole show on the TV monitor. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Mumblerone, you is the man!!! Now that is a great explanation, and I sure hope that beer is Heineken, my favorite.
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If you trim the motor upward, your speed will decrease.

Simple fix. The thrust goes from horizontal to more vertical/horizontal.

Try it.

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There is a good point.
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