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Old 10-16-2005, 10:22 AM
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i am looking to move up to something in the 28 ft range. i have looked at the 28 ft carolina classic, and with its 24 degree deadrise at the transom, it can get through alot. i am also considering steve law's seaworthy 28 ft as well as the general marine 26 ft model. i plan a trip up north to take a better look at these boats. i have heard that these downeast-style boats are great in a head sea. but, i was wondering, they are so flat at the transom, don't they pound with like 0 degree deadrise at the transom? thanks in advance.
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Not too many of them are faster than the 22-24knt range. One way they make up in speed, is theyre seakeeping ability. They can push through anything. I saw a 39' BHM punch through 6-8's @ 18knts like it was nothing.
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I believe the boats your looking don't really get on plane so you won't get the pounding of a planning hull. Of course you won't get the speed either but they will most like be more fuel friendly.They are more of a semi displacement hull. Great in a head sea but tricky in a following sea. Most lobster style hull have a large front foot or should I say large forward lower bow and they have a tendency to get pushed one way or the other setting up to get broached in a following sea. We looked very seriously at BHM. The cuttyhunk water taxi is a BHM and I have seen this thing come through some nasty weather. This is the back ground that I gathered while search around for our boat.
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NJBillfish,

I would give Blue Hill Marine a serious look. The are known on the water as BHM hulls. Very popular with our fishing fleet here in Chatham Ma. The 31 BHM can handle 6-8ft seas like its nothing. You can also design the boat as bare or as fancy as you want. My mentor has a 31 and I have been on that boat a couple of times, and couldn't believe how much she could take and handle comfortably. BHM also makes a beautiful 28 ft Downeaster. You may also like their sister ship made by the same company. The Duffy is another great Downeast style hull made by Atlantic marine, who just bought BHM. Two 35 Duffy were just purchased by two of our charter fleet in Chatham.

I was also just introduced to Judge yachts by another THT member. Check out their web page at www.judgeyachts.com. They have two different models in the 28 ft range for Downeast boats.

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Old 10-16-2005, 12:05 PM
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Check out the Albin TE 28. I bought a used one last year and have no regrets. I'm not sure it's a true " downeast" design but it handles rough water very well. Mine will cruise at 19kts and is WOT at 24 kts. Gets wonderful milage if you keep it at crusie speed and is a great fishing boat as well as overnight cruiser.
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Old 10-16-2005, 06:15 PM
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Like Ubettcha says, there's a million companies up in Maine making this sort of boat - Power Cruising magazine had a pretty good overview article and directory in their March/April 2005 issue.

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Cape Dory 28 or 30 may be worth a look if you can find a nice used one. I don't think they are in production any longer. Dyer 29!!! WTG. Originally built in Warren RI. This hull has been in production for over 50 years with very little changes to it's over all hull. As posted above you may also consider an Ellis or Duffy. IMO you want an older Duffy when the company was owned by Richard Duffy both are Real Downeast hulls..OBTW they are built in Down East Maine.

Duffy may still have their plant in Brooklin, ME..This is the area of Maine where you can't get there for here..

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the bhm is a hard chine which is fasrer but the legendary sea keeping is in a soft chine built down hull not a skeg built.The built down design allows the engine to sit lower,the soft chine allows currents to pass under without much effect also the soft chine has more reserve stability.soft or hard it dousent matter which fuel economy plumits above 18 knots.
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Old 10-16-2005, 08:06 PM
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Check out the following link on the 28' Seaworthy:

http://www.yachtworld.com/neyachts/neyachts_4.html

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my mistake bhm is softchine jc is hardchine.
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We did a lot of research on these boats a couple of years ago. I liked the idea of a single diesel for fuel economy. Disliked the relatively high price and waiting time for building a new one.

The Seaworthy previously mentioned seems like a decent boat for the cost. Others we looked at were BHM, Northern Bay, Downeast"DE" Boats, Duffy and JC. You will be looking at $250,000 or better by the time you're done with electronics and everything else. There are some decent threads about this subject on Noreast.com. Search "downeast boats".

The Cuttyhunk water Taxi is a 36 BHM. Nice but wet ride in a head sea. Pretty much a wild ride when the sea is on the stern. Same with the 35 JC that lobsters out of Cuttyhunk.
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Another boat to consider would be a Fortier 26 or 30. I had a Fortier 26 for ten years. ( I traded down to a 18' flats boat.) Fortier builds a high quality boat for a reasonable price. The boats are hard chined, semidisplacement, with a large keel and were designed by Eldredge McInnis. Check them out at:

htp://www.fortierboats.com/

My 26' wasn't fast (17 knot cruise with a 200hp diesel) but it ate up head seas and handled predictably in following seas. The 30 is powered by twin diesels and cruises in the upper 20's. I'm considering trading up again and will get another Fortier if I do.
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Old 10-17-2005, 12:48 PM
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do you guys feel that price of $250,000 or greater for a outfitted 28 ft downeast style boat (8943post quoted above) is accurate??? from my research i was figuring around $150,000, on yahctworld.com a new 2006 seaworthy 28 with a 315 yanmar is listed at $95,000???
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Why spend $250K on a 28 downeaster, when you can spend $140K on a 28 Albemarle with twin diesels...
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capt squiddly, where do you get you prices??? down here in nj a new albemarle w/diesels is more like $180,000. and as far as a downeast style boat costing $250,000??? from my contacts with a few of the builders up there in maine, i was looking at a price more around $150,000 for everything, fully outfitted?
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capt squiddly, where do you get you prices??? down here in nj a new albemarle w/diesels is more like $180,000. and as far as a downeast style boat costing $250,000??? from my contacts with a few of the builders up there in maine, i was looking at a price more around $150,000 for everything, fully outfitted?
I think this is what Squiddly was referring to, except it is twin gas engines

http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/t...=78300&posts=3
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njbillfish, No the Seaworthy isn't $250. However, once you cross the 30' size the pricing increases consdierably. At the end of our search I figured these boats were too expensive for what you get. Like Capt. Sqiddly says why spend $250 for a downeast boat when you can buy a production boat like an Albermarle for $100 less.

To makes things simple and relatively inexpensive we bought a used 31 Jupiter. It's fast, very seaworthy and at the end of the season I load it on our trailer and bring it home for storage. No yard bills ever again.
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you guys like comparing apples to oranges? i am not looking to cross over that 30 ft size, so it really does not concern me that the price of a downeast style boat increases significantly once you get upwards of something in the 30 ft + range. i am looking at 28 ft downeast style boats and at that size you get a custom boat for about $150,000.
and i agree, you could also get a 28 ft production boat with diesels for $180,000. for my $$$, i would be inclined to go with the 28 ft carolina clasic over the 28 ft albemarle, i think you get alot more boat with carolina classic.
i guess it boils down to whether you want a production boat that cruises @ 28kts, or a custom boat that cruises @ 18kts (and burns half the fuel).
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You get what you pay for.
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250K for a 31 footer is too high, unless you want a fully decked out Wilbur or something along those lines. All depends on the options you choose to put on, and the amount of joinery work required for this.

I have a West Bay 31, and she is fantastic in a head sea. 19 knots anywhere I want to go at 5 GPH. Following sea, back off the throttle, and match the wave period. Not an issue. As a good friend once said, "if you are in a hurry while boating, you are doing the wrong thing."

That being said, running home from Cuttyhunk on Sunday was blowing 35 to 40, with an outgoing tide. Big seas, and it was easy. Just let her find her speed, and roll through the waves. You do not"Trip" over the bow unless you are pushing her down the faces too hard. "Trip" more than once, and you are simply not respecting the seas. They win every time.

Fortier's are certainly the pick up trucks of the bay here, and most of the cape. In my opinion, a lot of bang for the buck. Search, as there are plenty of them used, and in estates.

A Downeast is nothing like a Albe 28. In terms of hull shapes, make certain the Down East hull is what you are looking for. Some are soft Chines, some hard. Both have their advantages, and disadvantages. Also check glass quality and cores. Solid glass boats have their advantages, but are heavier, and will not perform as well under limited power. There are so many options out there, just be selective.
A short list of good hulls are BHM, Duffy (same company now) Young Brothers, Holland, West Bay, WesMac, Wilbur, Beal, H and H, Northern Bay, Stanley. These are just a few off the top of my head.

If you really want to get a feel for them, grab a copy of Maine Coastal News, and they list all the different builders, and what they are working on in their shops.

Good Luck. Looking is a lot of fun. Feel free to PM me if you have more questions.
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