Rigging Question - The Hull Truth

bpicard · 09-18-2005, 05:30 PM

I have a single 200 HPDI on a 240 Bayscout and would like to improve the appearance and functionality of my current set up.

I was looking at using a TH Marine rigging flange with hose, see http://www.thmarine.com/product.cfm?PRID=103 . This makes for a clean set-up, as I've seen on various boats. My problem is that in addition, I need to route the SEA STAR hydraulic hoses and need an alternative to routing through the same "hole" as the TH rigging tube.

I'm looking for suggestions on how others have addressed this problem. Pic's would be great if they're handy.

Thanks in advance, Brian.

SIM · 09-18-2005, 05:54 PM

Brian,

I would try to keep the hydraulic hoses seperate from the engines rigging tube. The rigging tube needs to move left to right when steered and up and down when tilted up and down. Its kind of hard to get those hoses to move in the same fashion as the rigging hose does.

Other clean looking ways for hydraulic hoses are to install bulkhead fittings on the transom but this entails cutting and swagging new ends on thecurrent hoses or pulling the current hoses back to inside the boat and going with two shorter new ones on the outside. They also make pass thru bulkhead fittings that the hose will slide through but they would still have to be disconnected, attached to the engine cylinder*and re-bled.

Yamaha came out with a real nice inexpensive engine grommet that will accept the rigging hose without using the current flexible rubber one with the clamp and tie starp holding method that you probably have. The rigging tube actually threads into this fitting and it sits in the area that your currect flexible rubber*grommet does. The new fitting is open totally in the center of it so you do not have to fuss with trying to get the hoses, harness's and cable in there appropriate section of that rubber fitting. With the rigging tube threaded on it makes it a water resistant type of seal.*

Andy*

bpicard · 09-18-2005, 06:54 PM

Andy,

Thanks for the info.

Any pic's of your suggestions? I generally know what you are talking about. Where are these bulkhead fittings available? Any links or do you sell them? The hydraulic hose looks like a 7/16 JIC fitting, or similar. Do you know exactly?

Also, is it difficult to bleed the system down? Is it bled down from the helm end or the cylinder end?

Additionally, is the new engine grommet that you are referring to, compatible with the 2" TH Marine rigging hose/tube? What is the cost, I'll most likely will get one.

As an aside, I received the new YAMAHA SS filter base and got that mounted. It looks great. I need to get a yamaha priming bulb and about 5 ft of fuel hose.

Thanks again, Brian.

SIM · 09-21-2005, 09:18 AM

Brian,

Forgot about this....sorry.

I have brass bulkhead fittings here, but for you guys that are in salt you might want to use a SS version or a chrome plated brass version.

There are 3 types of steering*fittings that are normally used. A compression fitting, a o-ring type fitting and the JIC type fitting ...not the 37 degree type but the 45 degree type. These*hoses and fittings I custom*make here and stock the hose and fittings. Most steering cylinders from Teleflex come with the o-ring type and I spin those off and convert them to 45 degree fittings.

The steering cylinder is bled back at the cylinder itself. A reservoir is connected to the port on top of your helm, fluid is added and one man rotates the wheel, while another is back at the cylinder at the bleeders keeping an eye on the level and looks for clean fluid with no air bubbles. I am sure at this link http://www.seastarsteering.com/OUTBOARD/oboard.htm?../PDFs/PDF_files.htm&1*there are directions for bleeding the system. Its not hard to do.......just have enough fluid on hand in case of a accidental spill

Yes....the*grommet is compatible with that tubing. Yamaha has some metallic blue rigging hose that looks good as well.

Andy

HOTSPOT · 09-21-2005, 09:28 AM

I bought a rigging hose and hydraulic strain reliefs for the dwell. I did not have enough room to accommodate the hose, so I opted for the TH-Marine Zippered Rigging Sleeve. The cool thing about this product is that you do not have to disconnect anything.

I did disconnect the fuel line and route it through the sleeve as well. The primer bulb is in the bilge storage area.

So, I was happy with everything except the steering lines. I could not figure out a way to install those TH-Marine strain relief connectors in the dwell area to suit me.

What I ended up doing was positioning the hoses so that they pointed directly at the motor boot in the dwell. (Mine is on the left side up on the side) I arranged the hoses so that they would slide in and out of the boot smoothly and made sure they had room in the bilge to freely move.

It works great, and looks great. Your situation may be different, I do not have a large dwell area, and the motor in very close to it.

warthog5 · 09-21-2005, 12:45 PM

As Andy said there are bulkhead fitting's from Teleflex.
http://www.seastarsteering.com/OUTBO...fittings.htm&1

On this pix you will see how they are rigged.

ginmills · 09-21-2005, 01:57 PM

I am using the Seastar bulkhead fittings that Bobby has shown above. 16 ft Seastar Pro hoses to the splashwell bulkhead fittings, then 3 ft hoses from the other side to the engines. I thought you were not supposed to take apart any end fittings on Seastar hose. These bulkhead fittings work for factory hose & ends and look great.

Andy - regarding Yamaha's engine grommet - I bought one and it does not fit/work on my older 1989 225 Excel. It does not fit into the area where the current rubber grommet is. Do they make one compatible for the older 2 strokes?

SIM · 09-21-2005, 05:24 PM

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ginmills - 9/21/2005 12:57 PM I am using the Seastar bulkhead fittings that Bobby has shown above. 16 ft Seastar Pro hoses to the splashwell bulkhead fittings, then 3 ft hoses from the other side to the engines. I thought you were not supposed to take apart any end fittings on Seastar hose. These bulkhead fittings work for factory hose & ends and look great. Andy - regarding Yamaha's engine grommet - I bought one and it does not fit/work on my older 1989 225 Excel. It does not fit into the area where the current rubber grommet is. Do they make one compatible for the older 2 strokes?

Ginmills,

We make our own steering*hoses here with the Sea Star hose in bulk. I can not get the o-ring type ends that Sea Star uses that will work in our Parker*hydraulic*crimp machine. They*are less expensive for us*but more importantly we can make them custom on the spot instead of ordering and waiting ect. If I was Brian*I would do the same thing you did.

Most inboard applications use the SAE45 degree type fittings. Why the o-ring types on outboard cylinders??? Don't know.*

HPDI's and the F150,F200,225 and 250 four strokes are the only rigging grommets that*Yamaha currently*makes.

Andy