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Old 02-18-2014, 10:20 AM
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I'm looking to purchase a 38' 1980 pacemaker/eggharbor. Trying to find some specs or info on it. apparently there were only a couple built as a prototype with v6 detroit deisel engines. does anyone have any thoughts about the hull design or if there's problems to look out for.before the survey. thanks
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Not familiar with a 38' Pacemaker but Pacemaker built a decent boat. The 33, 36 and 40 were popular and later became successful Egg Harbor models. Which Detroits are in her? They could be 6V92s, 6V71s or 6V53s. The model and HP will determine a lot. I'm guessing this is a relatively low priced boat as the market for an old Pacemaker or Egg Harbor is pretty soft. Most important factor will be mechanical condition as it will cost much more than the boat is worth to major engines and/or replace a generator.
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I was a captain and make ready guy for Egg at that time. I don't recall a 38 built in 1980. A few 38 sedans prior to that in the seventies that were basically the 40. if I remember they had 6-71s maybe some 6-53s....... Toward the end of my time there many of the Eggs and Pacemakers were "blended" with Pacemaker molds and the Egg Harbor nameplates.. Sadly refered to as Eggmakers....

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Post a link to the boats ad. Maybe someone will know about this particular vessel. There can't be too many of these around
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In 1978, Egg harbor replaced the 38 with the 40 - stretched it to get more cockpit space.

Maybe pacemaker used the hull mold from 78 on If it's that 38 mold, the engine room height is very low. I heard, but don't know for sure, that they were using a slant 671.

Make sure whatever surveyor you use has experience with surveying wood boats. Although the hull if fg, there's a lot of bare wood/fabric and resin over wood. At some point, egg harbor started to mold a fg flybridge, but I think that was well after 1980.

You might find more information at the eggharborowners site.
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Check out the Power Boat Guides, especially an older version if you can locate one. Egg offered a 38' in 1990-1997. The earlier version that morphed to the 40' started in the early 1970's and changed to the 40' in 1975/6. Pacemaker offered a 37' in the 1990's and had a 38' in the early 1970's (Pacemaker/Alglass) with a small trunk cabin. Best info I could locate.
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I think this is the boat he's looking at.
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1980...s#.UwTWvIWuqSo
Looks a lot like a 37 Egg Harbor, same layout, cockpit etc. Deck house is similar to the 33/35/37 newer style boats that didn't have the glass over mahogany deck house of the earlier Egg Harbors. Looks like a decent boat from the listing. ER looks a bit of a mess and the engines are hard to make out. Valve covers look like 6V92s but exhaust manifolds look different. Looks like the exhaust blankets are new. Turbos seem to be in a different place and a bit close to the deck. If she checks out well it may be a good buy. Doubt she's worth much but that would be a lot of boat for the money.
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Logmann, given your history with Egg, you might be able to shed some light on this for me:
I am the proud custodian of a 1979 48'... Under previous ownership, there was an engine fire caused from the portside dry turbo which wreaked havoc on the port engine and the engine room. I have cleared all of the debris from the fire and am now cautiously approaching repower, considering all options. I realize that the twin 892s she has been running are 'beasts' and given my ability to afford fuel will run forever with proper maintenance, BUT I would also like to enjoy my boat while I own her and have considered a refit with Cummins QSM11. I am curious to hear from someone who had first hand experience with this boats original construction. How will the lighter engines effect displacement? Any thoughts on transmission ratio? Also, let us all consider that BOTH engines are in need of a MAJOR rebuild after the fire and halon extinguishing system (highly corrosive)... which means a very costly rebuild for engines that are rapidly being phased out as parts become increasingly more expensive. This is why I am exploring alternatives to current detroit power. Any thoughts would be welcome

(this is my first post-I know we aren't encouraged to ask questions privately that could be helpful. IDK if this is the right protocol. oh well)
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I have a 37 Pacemaker for sale. 1990 with 6/53's. SHe has had alot of work done and needs cleaning up and the engines serviced (she has been sitting for over a year). Her owners want out. Asking $39,900. john@bbyacht.com or 843-249-6167

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Leaky side salon windows, the weep holes would clog up.
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Logmann, given your history with Egg, you might be able to shed some light on this for me:
I am the proud custodian of a 1979 48'... Under previous ownership, there was an engine fire caused from the portside dry turbo which wreaked havoc on the port engine and the engine room. I have cleared all of the debris from the fire and am now cautiously approaching repower, considering all options. I realize that the twin 892s she has been running are 'beasts' and given my ability to afford fuel will run forever with proper maintenance, BUT I would also like to enjoy my boat while I own her and have considered a refit with Cummins QSM11. I am curious to hear from someone who had first hand experience with this boats original construction. How will the lighter engines effect displacement? Any thoughts on transmission ratio? Also, let us all consider that BOTH engines are in need of a MAJOR rebuild after the fire and halon extinguishing system (highly corrosive)... which means a very costly rebuild for engines that are rapidly being phased out as parts become increasingly more expensive. This is why I am exploring alternatives to current detroit power. Any thoughts would be welcome(this is my first post-I know we aren't encouraged to ask questions privately that could be helpful. IDK if this is the right protocol. oh well)


The 46/48 Had several engine configurations. Everything from 6-71 Ns and TIs, 903 cummins and the 8-92TIs. Reducing weight would be a good thing. Keeping the horsepower up for a mid to upper twentys cruise is where I felt the boat was most comfortable. The 6-71Ns just didn't have the speed to get that easy glide. Adding full length spray rails makes a big difference as well.

I can't think of a downside to repowering with any of the newer lighter engines. The 48 was a comfortable all around boat I enjoyed running. In '79 she was considered pretty fast and I recall more then once out running the "new" 40 Oceans down the Mullica.

Do you know the boats history?
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Logmann,
Hi! Yes, I know some of the boats history, but really only what I could glean from the locals that responded to her original distress calls. The boat's name is the Isabella and her port of call was Ponce Inlet where she had a full-time captain and a private dock. She and the crew were returning from a trip and were about 3 miles out from Stuart and the Manatee Pocket area where she caught fire. It looked to me (and a few more mechanically inclined friends of mine) that the port side dry turbo clogged and eventually burst into flame igniting the port engine wiring harness, steering cables, oil return line, etc... You name it, it was torched, scorched and crumbled. The heat was so great aft of the turbo that it melted the valve cover and it caved in! I heard from the guy who responded from TowBoatUS that there were big waves and decent winds that day which made using his pumps to put water to the engine room almost impossible. The Coast Guard eventually came on the scene and inflicted their own damage...to the unaffected mahogany "testing for fire". The fire was extinguished before they ever arrived, but better safe than sorry is apparently their policy (...and they were not sorry...) Any who, the Isabella was towed back to SailFish Marina in Stuart where my poor baby sat neglected for over a year and a half at the rate of $150 a day. (No kidding, seriously...) I bought her at auction and launched her 3 days later. The dripless shaft seals were melted from the heat and we (the folks at the yard) sealed it with foam and removed the props for towing. I had removed all of the debris I could at the yard in those first 72 hours (pure insanity) and continued to strip all of the interior down to bare wood, fiberglass and soot. A year later, I go to visit her whenever I can and am still stripping charred, melted electrical and antiquated engine room equipment each time. The good news is there is no more charcoal and burned wood anywhere and the bulk heads and supports are still solid. I have been exploring power options and trying to decide on salon and galley layouts while I save my pennies for the right set of engines. Would like the be able to slide engines through main doorway... which provides enough limitations. Look forward to picking your brain :D
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