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Old 10-07-2013, 06:05 AM
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Question How to Find Boat Owner by Registration Number??

So I found a boat that I am interested in, but it is listed through the dreaded POP sales group. I can clearly see the registration numbers and know what city the boat is in, but what are my options for finding out the owner of the boat with that info?

I would like to do this to get around POP and their jacked up prices and deal directly with the owner if possible...saves me money and he gets paid directly with no "middle man" broker to pay fees to.

What are my options on this and who has successfully looked up and contacted an owner this way?

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In Texas you have to write a letter to the Texas Parks and Wildlife to request the information, and it is not available over the internet or phone. However, I would imagine you can request the information in person at their offices. Much is to say, every state is probably different in the way they handle the information. Good luck with your efforts.
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His contract with the Broker more than likely holds him accountable for the commission even if the boat is sold privately.
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His contract with the Broker more than likely holds him accountable for the commission even if the boat is sold privately.
Good point. I wonder what the chances are he could end the contract with the broker? Reason i say this is research has shown the boat has been sitting for sale since May.
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According to this site: http://www.popyachts.com/Page/Site-P...st/9/Page.html

If I could get in touch with him, get him to "list it" on his own (a quick craigslist ad with a different price), then he isn't responsible for paying POP anything because technically I found that boat at that price based on his very own ad.

Lot of loophole "what-ifs" there, but it may be possible haha
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The boat may already have been sold. POP isn't always real quick about removing ads.
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His contract with the Broker more than likely holds him accountable for the commission even if the boat is sold privately.
"His contract with the Broker?" You should learn more about POP Yachts questionable listing tactics before you make a statement like that.
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In Florida, if you have the Hull number, you can pull up the owner online at this link:

https://services.flhsmv.gov/MVCheckWeb/

It works for automotive and boats. Enter the HIN or VIN number and it will give you the owner and county usually. Then you can use the county property appraiser site to get address usually to contact the owner. But you need to be able to drive by the boat and get the HULL number on the back.

You can try the registration numbers, but I dont think that will pull it up, but you can try.
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The boat may already have been sold. POP isn't always real quick about removing ads.
I'm pretty sure it is still for sale because they lowered the price yesterday on it

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In Florida, if you have the Hull number, you can pull up the owner online at this link:

https://services.flhsmv.gov/MVCheckWeb/

It works for automotive and boats. Enter the HIN or VIN number and it will give you the owner and county usually. Then you can use the county property appraiser site to get address usually to contact the owner. But you need to be able to drive by the boat and get the HULL number on the back.

You can try the registration numbers, but I dont think that will pull it up, but you can try.
Thanks for that link I don't have the HIN but of course could request if via the POP rep. Not sure what my chances of getting a picture of it are though and how to validate my request for it without the POP rep starting to think I'm trying to go directly to the owner
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Once you contact POP they will want the commission. Some times the boat is listed elsewhere, or you can get some clues where the boat is located. That is a starter.
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Mike, search on boats.com, traderonline.com and craigslist to see if the boat is listed there by the owner. You can search by manufacture, length and area real quick to see if he posted it. Good luck
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Mike, search on boats.com, traderonline.com and craigslist to see if the boat is listed there by the owner. You can search by manufacture, length and area real quick to see if he posted it. Good luck
That's the only thing. I have watched the boat through the summer on there. POP had it at the last price since June and then lowered it yesterday. So all Craigslist ads are long gone, even when searching on SearchTempest and Google.

Not sure what route to take unless I can get the HIN
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I'm curious...if the Seller is paying the broker to reach more customers, and the broker has spent money advertising and bringing the boat to your attention, why wouldn't you give them a fair shot at earning the commission they're due for you finding the boat in the first place?

I'm all for getting rid of people in any industry who don't hold up their end of the bargain, but attempting to cut them out from the get-go when they've clearly done their job by reaching you with the advertising that they spent time and money on...I think that's low.


Have you attempted to contact POP to pursue the boat through them?
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Just an FYI, one boat I was looking at on PopYachts. I was talking with the broker when he told me that the boat was sold privately. So I assume it could be done.
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That's the only thing. I have watched the boat through the summer on there. POP had it at the last price since June and then lowered it yesterday. So all Craigslist ads are long gone, even when searching on SearchTempest and Google.

Not sure what route to take unless I can get the HIN
Then maybe they have a real listing and may be able to help you? Good luck.
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I'm curious...if the Seller is paying the broker to reach more customers, and the broker has spent money advertising and bringing the boat to your attention, why wouldn't you give them a fair shot at earning the commission they're due for you finding the boat in the first place?

I'm all for getting rid of people in any industry who don't hold up their end of the bargain, but attempting to cut them out from the get-go when they've clearly done their job by reaching you with the advertising that they spent time and money on...I think that's low.


Have you attempted to contact POP to pursue the boat through them?
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I'm curious...if the Seller is paying the broker to reach more customers, and the broker has spent money advertising and bringing the boat to your attention, why wouldn't you give them a fair shot at earning the commission they're due for you finding the boat in the first place?

I'm all for getting rid of people in any industry who don't hold up their end of the bargain, but attempting to cut them out from the get-go when they've clearly done their job by reaching you with the advertising that they spent time and money on...I think that's low.


Have you attempted to contact POP to pursue the boat through them?
THANK YOU!

The technical term for it is "stealing".
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THANK YOU!

The technical term for it is "stealing".
Ok sure, I'm "stealing" from POP...solid post.

And to the guy who mentioned "if the seller is paying them" - if you would have taken the time to read the link I posted above, you would see that they charge the seller ZERO dollars for listing it. It's their own gamble to spend the gas money to drive and take pics of the boat. And how long does it take to enter in the info into their software and do a mass distribution to websites across the board? Not long at all.

If a boat as been sitting for 6+ months when others like it are selling much faster than that, he (the broker) is not doing that great of a job.

Call me a thief all you want, because I have no problem with hunting down the owner and dealing with them to save both he and I money by going around an operation that has a shady rep anyways. Not going to make me lose any sleep at night
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Stealing from POP Yachts? Hahahahahahahaha!!! That sure is funny. Guess you don't know much about POP Yachts, eh? Do a little research. Their listings aren't legit.
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Stealing from POP Yachts? Hahahahahahahaha!!! That sure is funny. Guess you don't know much about POP Yachts, eh? Do a little research. Their listings aren't legit.
EXACTLY!!!

If I can easily find where they're taking Craigslist ads for a '99 World Cat 266 SC listed at $30k and jacking it up to $38k, I don't trust them and have no problem going around them. The tiny amount of work they do to take pictures and list it using their software to mass distribute the ad is NOT WORTH $8k, no matter if WalkingTheDocks or Island Marine Group think it's "stealing" and the $8k is just them "doing their job"
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