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Old 09-03-2013, 11:18 AM
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Default fortress anchor 32 or 45 degree

I have an FX-11 on my 24' boat and I am just wondering what hole that is typically used for best all around. The 45 degree says to only use for soft mud. I have to anchor in all types of bottom but normally not more than 50' depth. I also currently use the mud palms.
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I have an FX-11 thats for sale.

F%#!ing garbage.

Won't hold in mud or sand no matter the setting or using the mud palms, even with 12' of 5/16" chain.
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There are lots of threads/discussions on Fortress anchors if you take the time to look. Here's a few:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...ss-anchor.html
http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...chor-size.html
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I have an FX-11 thats for sale.

F%#!ing garbage.

Won't hold in mud or sand no matter the setting or using the mud palms, even with 12' of 5/16" chain.
Same here!!! I ended up going with a stainless steel Danforth Style anchor. Anchor holds now without any extra chain by itself.....although I do have about 12-15' of chain on there now.

I was constantly fighting my boat with my Fortress Anchor.
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Fought with mine all weekend.

Gave it its last chance. Different angles, with and without mud palms. Tested all in the same location with no current and very light wind.

Done with that crap.

Danforth 5H for me.
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Fortress in the 32 degree position works in sand, in the 45 degree position it won't work in sand at all, just skips on the bottom.
You need chain, no way they work without it.
In sand they are a great anchor.
Still, mine is in the garage, replaced by my Bruce with chain, can't afford to have "hit or miss" on my hook.
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I hated mine. you have to put so much chain on them to get them to set it defeats the purpose of it being light weight.
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Huh... That's funny mine hooks up every time. I use 20 ft of 1/4" chain. Never had an issue with it not hooking up ever. I've used it in sand all over the east coast of FL and Bahamas and then some mud on the gulf side in the Keys.
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Gents,

The 45 angle should only be used if you need more holding power in a very soft, silty, soupy mud type of bottom. This angle will dramatically increase the holding power in this type of bottom, which is often found in the Chesapeake and San Francisco Bays, for examples. In all other bottom conditions, the 32 angle should be used.

Other performance notes:

We recommend permanently installing the Mud Palms which are a set of two metal plates that bolt on to the crown (centerpiece) of the anchors. An image of the anchor is below with the Mud Palms installed and the anchor set at the 32 angle.

The Mud Palms will lift the back end of the anchor up so that the flukes take a more aggressive angle into the sea bottom, and they are included inside the box with every Fortress anchor.

Since Fortress anchors are precision-machined to be sharp, they should immediately dig into most common sea bottoms and bury deeply for incredible holding power. If this does not occur, then it is possible that the boat is falling back too quickly due to wind or current, or too short of a scope is being used and there is more of a vertical pull on the anchor which will make it difficult for the anchor to dig in and set.

We recommend using 6 feet of chain for every 25 feet of water depth, and since most coastal anchoring is done in under 50 feet of water, our customers typically use 10 feet to as much as 20 feet of chain with great success.

I have been answering customer calls for the past 15+ years, and I can say that if you are out in deep water of 100+ feet, you are in a heavy current, and you are trying to set the anchor with a total of 200 feet of anchor rode, and you are using our 4 lb FX-7 anchor, then you are very likely to be disappointed with it's performance. In that case, a heavier, dense steel anchor might serve you better.

But if you are anchoring in more "normal" conditions and you are following our simple guidelines, then you are very likely to be highly impressed with the performance of your Fortress anchor, as hundreds of thousands of our customers will attest to during the past 25 years we have been in business.

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Anchoring is at least 80% technique. Any ground tackle has to be right sized and configured. Fortress makes a great anchor, but if you can't or won't use the correct technique for it, well, then...
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I love my CQR. Its 25# with 30' of chain and has worked every time. I've had others, Danforth, Fortress none seem to be as effective as the CQR. I think plenty of chain is key as is proper scope. I should add that I have a windless so the weight of it all is not an issue I have to deal with.
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Gents,

The 45 angle should only be used if you need more holding power in a very soft, silty, soupy mud type of bottom. This angle will dramatically increase the holding power in this type of bottom, which is often found in the Chesapeake and San Francisco Bays, for examples. In all other bottom conditions, the 32 angle should be used.
TRIED BOTH SETTINGS, NEITHER WORKED

We recommend permanently installing the Mud Palms which are a set of two metal plates that bolt on to the crown (centerpiece) of the anchors. An image of the anchor is below with the Mud Palms installed and the anchor set at the 32 angle.

The Mud Palms will lift the back end of the anchor up so that the flukes take a more aggressive angle into the sea bottom, and they are included inside the box with every Fortress anchor.
TRIED WITH AND WITHOUT MUD PALMS, NO AFFECT.

Since Fortress anchors are precision-machined to be sharp, they should immediately dig into most common sea bottoms and bury deeply for incredible holding power. If this does not occur, then it is possible that the boat is falling back too quickly due to wind or current, or too short of a scope is being used and there is more of a vertical pull on the anchor which will make it difficult for the anchor to dig in and set.
NO CURRENT, WIND LESS THAN 5 MPH, 50' OF SCOPE.

We recommend using 6 feet of chain for every 25 feet of water depth, and since most coastal anchoring is done in under 50 feet of water, our customers typically use 10 feet to as much as 20 feet of chain with great success.
12' OF 5/16" GALV CHAIN / 25' BOAT

I have been answering customer calls for the past 15+ years, and I can say that if you are out in deep water of 100+ feet, you are in a heavy current, and you are trying to set the anchor with a total of 200 feet of anchor rode, and you are using our 4 lb FX-7 anchor, then you are very likely to be disappointed with it's performance. In that case, a heavier, dense steel anchor might serve you better.
6' OF WATER, NO CURRENT.

But if you are anchoring in more "normal" conditions and you are following our simple guidelines, then you are very likely to be highly impressed with the performance of your Fortress anchor, as hundreds of thousands of our customers will attest to during the past 25 years we have been in business.
CAN'T GET ANY MORE "NORMAL" THAN MY SITUATION
LESS THAN 12' WATER DEPTH, EXTRA AND HEAVIER CHAIN, NO CURRENT AND LIGHT WIND IN SAND AND MUD.

Safe boating,
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The FX-11 was given to me because the original owner said it SUCKED.

The FX-11 is rated for 28'-32' boats. It can't hold my 25'.

NEVER had a problem with a steel anchor dragging.
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A Few Dollars,

Makes absolutely no logical sense....how can a sharpened anchor NOT penetrate an ideal sea bottom when used properly?

Inexplicable!

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Don't know, that's why I have them both for sale and just ordered a Danforth.
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Makes absolutely no logical sense....how can a sharpened anchor NOT penetrate an ideal sea bottom when used properly?

Inexplicable!

Dumfoundedly,
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I had an FX-16 Fortress for my 31' Contender......... plenty of HEAVY STAINLESS chain 15'....... sandy bottom....tried both degree angles.... plenty of scope like A FEW DOLLARS....... same scenerio........ anchor sucked!!!!

Fought the boat everytime I was anchored up at the islands in less than 12' of water. Anchor never seemed to want to SET properly.........

Picked up a smaller Stainless Steel Danforth anchor with less of the same size chain 10'.....same scope of line........anchor held perfectly....no more fighting!!
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I have a34 sea vee and use a Fortress and have never had a problem.
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We are in FL and anchor in to the beach all the time stern to beach with 2 anchors out back. I always had trouble getting the front (most important) to set quick and stay planted. I was putting bigger and bigger anchors and still getting the same results. All the while I had one stern that would stick hard in the sand while the bigger one would pop out in a strong current. Time to study this old smaller bent shaft anchor that set and held better than anything else. I told you all this so you could understand there is a big bifference in similar looking anchors. The old small anchor is an original Danforth brand anchor. These have longer narrower sharper blades than the generics. The shank angle is also different. The inner part of the fluke has a welded inside piece (don't know proper name) rather then a bent piece that goes on one side or another. There are two anchors on the market that can be bought new that have this design. Tie Down Engineering has the rights to the true Danfoth design. The other is Fortress aluminum anchors. If you go fortress you NEED the mud plate option or it will not set. As this thread shows they work for some but not others. I simply buy any used original Danforth I come across and they work great. I drop it, it sets right away, and I never have to worry about it pulling out. Original Danforths can be found sometimes at boatyards discarded from refit boats and at yard sales in coastal areas. The look old, go cheap and are "Gold".
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No one anchor. On my boat I have slept safely on multiple anchors including a Fortess FX-16. Different bottoms & different situations. Have only slept on danforth style anchors like the Fortress when I was not fearing a big wind or current shirt during the night...
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I've never had any trouble getting my Fortress Fx-7 to stick immediately in sand. I use it mainly for island hopping. When offshore the bottom will be hard limestone so I use a Sea Claw. The Fortress has trouble grabbing the hard ground. I also use the Sea Claw for grassy areas. In rocks or on wrecks I use a grappler style anchor. The right tool for the right job.
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I use a fx 11 for my primary anchor on a 33t contender. It will stick great in anything but heavy grass or flat rock, sometimes needs help there. I have found you have to let it down slowly to keep the anchor from floating back on the chain. I anchor over 100' pretty regularly, it works great for me.

A bonus with fortress is their warranty and customer service, it is excellent.
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