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There has been much discussion on this board about the quality of Amsoil and why they are not certified. With the extreme cost of certification is appears Amsoil has decided to invest in product quality rather than go through the astronomical amount of money it takes for the major oil companies to be so called certified and some have stated that they do not use Amsoil because they fear the engine maker*may not pay a claim.*I have in my hand a warranty*I got from an Amsoil rep that clearly states in the event an OEM engine manufacturer fails to pay a claim for oil failure that Amsoil will pay the claim. It appears to be as good as it gets. If Yamaha, Mercury or any engine maker fails to honor a claim because something other than their product was used that was not so called certified the claim will be paid by Amsoil. I doubt they pay any claims at all because the oil is the best you can buy.
I have a co-worker who drag races cars and suggested I use Amsoil. That was in 95. I put it in my dodge Caravan. When the trany went in 2002 I sold the van to a mechanic who rebuilt the entire motor and trany. The van had 130,000+ miles. Never used oil, got better than projected miles/gallon of gas. The mechanic said he had never seen an engine so clean with that many miles on it. I use it in all my cars. Not only does it save me $$$ but reduces the change intervals with less environmental impact. I haven't used it in my 2-cycle Merc...don't know enough about 2-cycle oil. I'm a nurse practitioner and don't work or sell Amsoil but am sold on it!
I'd guess they spend a lot more on marketing and multi-level marketing than they'd ever spend on getting their oil certified.
Their are plenty of synthetic oils on the market from the major manufacturers that have the proper SAE/MIL ratings for use in outboards or marine enginers.
I've gotten over 200K miles in my last 3 cars (2 Honda's and a Subaru) and they've never seen a drop of Amsoil, and they both had their original transmissions .
I have friends who use Amsoil who love it though, and some who've switched to Castrol synthetic who think it's the best.
I keep hearing about the high cost of getting Amsoil oil certified, OK I'll bite, how much is "astronomical amount of money"?????
What percentage is the certification cost amount to the total gross revenue of the company??? Might not be so high if factoring in all the numbers.
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Just try and get Amsoil to pay for a motor warrenty issue, that piece of paper you have will be only good for you know what
You know, it seems this Amsoil topic just will not die. The bottom line is always this.........as an owner, you can use any oil you want in your outboard.........BUT, if you have a failure and try to get warranty work done, you had better have been using a TCW-3 oil or have deep pockets.......your choice
Some of their oil is certified I just started using amsoil 5w20 in my new Honda Ridgeline which is api certified, I have always used mobil1 with great success 2 cars one with 275,000 miles and the other with 126,000 miles one still gets 35mpg the other get 20mpg. I figured I would give amsoil a try I have heard nothing but good things from people who use their oil in a few months I am gonna be replacing the tranny fluid to amsoil full synthetic also
When my kids were young they would let us know they dropped a diaper bomb by saying "amsoiled" ...is this the same thing we are talking about here?
Any one ever read "The Oil Bible". Very extensive info on oil, types of oil, ratings filter and such. I use Amsoil but would not really be opposed to some of the other pure syntheics. Now I would not use other filters. I think here clearly Amsoil is the best.
I get it for 4.04/quart when purchased 4 gallons at a time, single quarts run 4.35. This is prefered customer pricing, membership is like 10 bucks a year or something, my fathers plant uses it by the drum in air compressors.
James - lets just give it a rest. Amsoil is nothing but a marketing machine, who would rather throw money into their marketing propaganda, open up a ton of websites etc. You go try and make a claim against AMSOIL! That piece of paper puts the burden on you and for the engine manufacturer to prove it was related to an oil failure or oil breakdown! If the oil is certified there is no question! I for one would not want to fight that battle.
It's pure rhetoric that they do not want to pay the cost for certification. The cost is not that much considering what they get for a qt of oil!
Next go look at the NMMA site and you will see no name oils not affiliated with the big guys that are certified. If it was so much to certify then why are these small volume no name producers certified!
If they want to stand behind their product then certify it and stop wasting everyone's time with sales hype, the ball test etc..and websites as to how they meet or exceed or specs!
As far as oil filters there are others that rate just as good. AMSOIL is just using a vendor to put their stamp on it.
To say they are the best only proves their propaganda has gotten to you!
I am not saying they are not any good, but put their certifications where your claims are and stop throwing that ball bearing test and that crank gear test around!
You speak like an indoctrinated AMSOIL rep! Nice try!
Darn KevinM, sounds like you have a big ol chip on your shoulder. I've got nothing to do with Amsoil on any other oil. I work for a telecom. OEM. I know what I've read and researched and discussed with people I respect. I'm sorry your opinions differ but at least allow me to voice mine without the attempted insults. Certifications for the most part, including ISO types are bought and paid for. You are hiring these people and paying them money to certify you. You fail them do you think they are coming back? You can hire any number of ISO certification companys to give you that piece of paper. Most likey the same with oil testing labs. If you really want I'll find the results for the oil filter test I refered to.
AndyK2 - You sound like an AMSOIL loyalist! Your comments could not be so far removed from the truth. To get certification you need to produce documented test results of how the specs are met or exceeded. I for one am very familar with certifications including ISO, UL, CE, NEMMA ratings etc.. Being a development engineer for one of the largest IT companies in my past life. I spent hours upon hours getting certifications documented, computer systems tested to show compliance and passing! So no it not just a matter of paying!
autobaun70 - 6/15/2005 7:55 AM it's nice to see that our resident sage has chosen to contribute another meaningless thread, which has been covered time and time again.
You mean like the guy that wanted a name for his dog or the guy that wanted to know who has thrown what overboard or the guy that had a poker game and got cheated. Now those were some worthwhile posts according to you.
It has been said on this forum that Amsoil is not certified by the wizards of certification, thereore they don't use it.*I am saying that in the event of a motor failure due to oil, Amsoil will pay if the engine maker does not pay and those that say how do you prove an oil failure well the answer to that question is easy. Otherwise if it is not an oil failure the warranty will kick right in without the bantering we have had on this subject.
KevinM - 6/15/2005 9:59 AM James - lets just give it a rest. Amsoil is nothing but a marketing machine, who would rather throw money into their marketing propaganda, open up a ton of websites etc. You go try and make a claim against AMSOIL! That piece of paper puts the burden on you and for the engine manufacturer to prove it was related to an oil failure or oil breakdown! If the oil is certified there is no question! I for one would not want to fight that battle. It's pure rhetoric that they do not want to pay the cost for certification. The cost is not that much considering what they get for a qt of oil! Next go look at the NMMA site and you will see no name oils not affiliated with the big guys that are certified. If it was so much to certify then why are these small volume no name producers certified! If they want to stand behind their product then certify it and stop wasting everyone's time with sales hype, the ball test etc..and websites as to how they meet or exceed or specs! As far as oil filters there are others that rate just as good. AMSOIL is just using a vendor to put their stamp on it. To say they are the best only proves their propaganda has gotten to you! I am not saying they are not any good, but put their certifications where your claims are and stop throwing that ball bearing test and that crank gear test around! You speak like an indoctrinated AMSOIL rep! Nice try!
So whats the big deal? If it was oil related and the engine company does not pay Amsoil will pay and if it was not oil related then amsoil and the customer get the engine done under warranty anyway. Don't you engage your brain before you type? I don't know of any Amsoil users whose engine failed due to oil and most engine failures are not due to oil. What a product like Amsoil does with engines like the HPDI is much less carbon and build up and with all engines the wear is less making the overall life of the engine greater saving the owner much money, but those that have an agenda to push with the ground pumped fossil oil want you to continue to buy their product thus the Amsoil bashers on this board.
james morton - I can see by your comments your true colors are showing! Engage my brain! Gee, sounds like you need to engage yours because it's obvious your comments have no validity!
The point as stated, go try and prove an oil failure! AMSOIL knows this thus provides you with a warranty with a lot of words on it! Once a failure happens it's hard to prove likewise!
All you keep citing is it's not the oil! Then you go on giving an HPDI lesson. Give me break! HPDI technology on it's own produces less carbon due to a more complete burn!
BTW if you you really knew your stuff, you would realize most carbon byproduct today is from the MTBEs used in today's fuels!
Then you insinuate that I am in favor of ground pumped fossil oil! Hmmm guess you really know how to read my post! As stated I have nothing against synthetics and in favor of synthetics, but only favor those that stand behind their product with certification. Pennzoil TCW3 full synthetic is one! Mobil 1 with the API and manufacturers spec requirements for another. I just don't fall for the propaganda as obviously you have. I guess all the car and engine manufacturers just put their certification requirements out there just for the heck of it!
Have fun selling your product!
sinjun I agree
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The bottom line is always this.........as an owner, you can use any oil you want in your outboard.........BUT, if you have a failure and try to get warranty work done, you had better have been using a TCW-3 oil or have deep pockets.......your choice 
