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Old 06-07-2005, 05:10 PM
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Default Boston Whaler 22 outrage 1988

I have done the search--- but still have ?s 1. is the beam at 7' 5"wide enough 2. what is the HP rating-- or total weight for the engine--- boat has 200 Yam which is hurting ie Junk---would like to repower w 115 4s and T8
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I'll take an educated guess; 240 HP, twin 115s...perfect!**They didn't give max weight then.* Check out weight difference between 2 stroke and 4 stroke; 4 stroke might be too heavy.* These boats ran great with twin 90's too.* Great boat.* www.continuouswave.com* Great Whaler site.* * How much are they asking?*
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I just checked weights on Yam-- 150 466lbs.--- 115 402lbs- T8 102lbs---Suzuki 140 --410 lbs ---115 - 416lbs ( weights more than 140) Price one of those auction things----
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Eyehooker - 6/7/2005 5:38 PM I just checked weights on Yam-- 150 466lbs.--- 115 402lbs- T8 102lbs---Suzuki 140 --410 lbs ---115 - 416lbs ( weights more than 140) Price one of those auction things----
Eyehooker,

Check this thread out* http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=33652&posts=14&highlight=22%2 0Boston%20Whaler%20&highlightmode=1#M359014

Never mind some of the sarcastic comments on this thread link.....we re-powered this 22 Outrage and the speed figures are facts. I was very suprised how well it did with a F150. The Bobs jack plate is awesome *

Now if you are going off shore and what some redundency with twins then I think the F115's would be perfect.

The pictures in that thread are XXXed out. Email me if you want them parts@shipyardisland.com .

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Old 06-07-2005, 06:24 PM
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Sims: Thanks for info-- Yam 150=466lbs & Yam T8 = 102 total 568lbs is that to much on the transom for the scubbers to work while slipped-- this is going to be for Lake Erie plus near shore and fresh water when in FL during the winter months
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The 22 can handle the weight of the F150 and the kicker. We put the batteries on this repower project up in the console. Thats a good idea. It sits perfect in the water and with a few guys aft there feet do not get wet.

The previos power was the Merc 200 and a Merc 25hp kicker. Also had a large fuel tank for the kicker(premix) at the transom. It handled the weight OK...it just was very crowed back there.

I would not bother with a kicker if you have twins.........the F115's will idle or troll all day long. There fuel consumption is minimal at idle.

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Ive a 1986 25outrage with twin Mercurys 115s 4 stroke, she planes @ 3100 rpms and cruises 22-23 knots @ 3500 (GPS) and 35/36 knots @ WOT (5400 rpms) Im very happy with this setup.

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Ive fished in a 22 outrage, Its a GREAT boat

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Old 06-07-2005, 07:18 PM
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Go to the continous wave site. It is all about whalers. Do a search on twins if you are really interested in them. Iwould go with a 225 optimax or e-tech with a 15 kicker. Minimum hp should be 80, max should be 240. Max motor weight should be @ 700lbs. Watch twins and weight, lots of stories with water coming over the transom on the 22s when you get to much weihgt in the back there. Light weight carbed 90s are good i hear but 4s may be to heavy.
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With those early Whalers you could take a wave over the side or front; hit the gas and it would go right out. I had a 18' Whaler (1982) with a 150 Yamaha and 9.9 HP Yamaha, 4-stroke kicker. I had a couple of people sitting near the bow...a tug went by and we filled the boat half full. After we regained ourselves, I just hit the gas and the water dumped out the back. These are great boats. I also agree; with twins, forget the kicker...too much weight and you really don't need it. Good luck. Keep us posted.
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Old 06-07-2005, 09:45 PM
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I do not want twins-- thinking about Yam 150 4S plus T8 4S should be under 600lbs-- If one can put 700lbs this should a good combo-- not interested in Speed-- boated on Lake Erie for last 27 years--- Boats travel at Lake Erie speed around 25-30 mph otherwise need to go to your Dentist or Back Dr. !
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Do yourself a favor and research this boat on the Continous Wave site which is full of Boston whaler owners. It is easy to say that this boat can handle twins. The reality of it is that if you have twins they should be 700lbs or under. And that does not leave a very viable fuel efficient boat for motors that most likely will be two stroke gas carbed. I researched this boat for 10 months. Heard all the pros and cons and talked to a lot of people through email and on the phone. At a minimum I would put a 175. The 24 and 25 footers can easily handle twins, but the 22 is a totally different boat. It is right at the breaking point for twins. Also what size gas tank does it have? The 120 gallon tanks are a little big for those boats. You definately can not go wrong with these boats though. They are one of the safest boats and the hulls are unblivable. I liked them so much that I just purchased a 22 Guardian (Same hull as the older outrages which is whalers commercial hull), 225 optimax and a 15 big foot kicker. I use Vessel assist if needed for long range as for there are so many other reasons that your second motor could fail (bad fuel, batteries, can kill both motors). Smart guages read 30mph @ 4000rpms @ 2.5 to 2.7 mpg. This is a good setup as for the motor is running at its optimum range in rpms with maximum fuel efficiency. Do the research, its free. I still think a 150 is to small and the 8 horse may not push the boat very well for backup. Good luck with your decision.
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When to continous wave --- read and read-- Lots of good info on big single and kicker : I can't see any reason to have a BIG single ie 200 plus ---- I want this boat to troll slow 1.2 to 1.5--thus the need for a kicker--- after reading info on Yam 115 making oil don't want to troll with 115--- I presently have I/O searay which run 38/40 however Lake Erie conditions will only allow this once or twice a month when less that 2 ft--If I can run crusie at 30 I will very happy
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Eyehooker...great to see your doing your homework.* Just and additional point, which you may have considered.* The need for power is not 'what is the maximum speed' but how well the boat will preform.* Example: when fully loaded you want to get up on plan in a reasonable amount of time; secondly in a seaway you want to be able to 'power' into headseas without coming off plane every four or fifth wave or working the throttle on every wave.* Years ago there was a guy with a 22' Whaler with a super leaning post and CC.* The boat was powered by a 225 HP Evinrude...no kicker.* He was quite unhappy with the boats performance on Lake Ontario...he was always working the throttle in any kind of weather to stay on plane and it took forever to get on plane with a load.* Don't cut yourself 'short' on power just by looking at 'top speed'.* Most of the time on Lake Ontario; top speed is irrelevent anyway.* Just a thought.* ** If you not looking at top speed and need the power (plus trolling) I would give consideration to twin 90 HP at a minimum.* The dual props will give you the 'power' you'll need.* Don't get me wrong my preference would be twin 115s.*

As an aside, I've been around Nantucket and Matha's Vineyard many time with a 20' BW with twin 70 HP Johnsons...perfect.* Three good size guys too.* Keep the open mine...that's what we're here for.*

Whaler27...I couldn't have said it better.* What's that thing about 'great minds'?*
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A 150 on a 22 Outrage will be working fairly hard just to run 25 to 30 MPH. You're much better off with a 200+ HP coming from a 3+ liter displacement outboard on that hull. The 150 on the 22 will have practically no power in reserve for those times when you load the boat up with a fair number of people and gear. It will also be much harder to work the boat in heavy seas with a 150.
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I had the same year/boat without the Whaler-Drive. I had twin 115hp Merc 2 strokes. The boat did very well with twin 115s.

I have seen the same boat with twin 4stroke 115s and I dont know that I would recommend it.That boat WITHOUT the Whaler-Drive will sit too low in the stern, in my opinion, for an open transom boat. The open transom with that much weight will be asking for problems down the road.

I think you may be better off with a single "new" technology 200hp engine, like an Optimax, E-tec, or even an HPDI engine because of the weight issue. If you need or want the safety of twins, than go with 115s of the same.

Im not sure if I missed it somewhere in this thread, but is this boat an OPEN transom or does it have a Whaler-drive closed transom?????

That answer should really be the determining factor as to what you do in a repower.
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Whaler 27 Did you read the post that Sims made on 150 Yam--- His repower was a cabin whaler and the repower got 43MPH --I notice you replied to that post---Does the jacket plate add that much speed ?---I never have over 4 people when I go fishing and that is only for bottom fishing ie perch--- 90% of the time only two people max weight of gear 200lbs-- 6 poles, 4 dipsy divers, worm harness, 4 dozen worms, tackle box and cooler with beer & pop( it get lighter as the day grows longer)
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Open transom--- would give eye teeth if whaler drive---I believe if I go any bigger single weight is going to be problem--- not uncommon in when trolling in Lake E at slow speed to have a wave break over transom--- Three years ago a whaler turned tuttle after taking a # of waves--- But didn't sink-- like to stay with Yam since controls and gauges will work ( I think) but do not like HPDI ---I believe the Etec and Opti weight around 525lbs plus kicker 110lbs= 635 total
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Eyehooker. Yes, I think the jackplate can add quite a bit to the performance but am still quite surprised by the top speed having lived with the 22 foot hull/225 Yamaha for many years. Jackplate is good if you run in flat water, not so good for rough water. You will need to hang the leg deeper in rough water and performance will suffer.

My opinion is that the boat is optimally configured with a main motor having at least 3 liters of displacement, at least 200 HP. A 3+ liter engine will run nice and easy (under 4000 RPM) at 25 to 30 MPH which is the cruising sweet spot for that hull. Top speed isn't the consideration for motor selection for me, rather its having reserve power for the times when its needed and not working the motor hard at cruising speeds. With 4 people and all the gear, I know I would be disappointed with the peformance of a 150, particulary if the seas get rough, but that's me.
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I think alot of people are missing the point here. I have a 22' Outrage with a 200h.p. Johnson 2 stroke.
I get the same numbers (around 40mph) as the Yammy 150 4S. Why is this? Is the Yammy really putting out more hp? Is the 4S stromger than my 2 stroke? I know it will do alot better on fuel consumption than my gas hog Johnson. Based on those numbers why would you recomend throwing on a 200 or 225 2 stroke?
I guy on the continuous wave has a 22' with twin 130 honda 4s with whaler drive, so they can take alot of weight on the back.
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