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Old 06-17-2013, 08:29 PM
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If I am not mistaken, bilge pumps are designed to pump water out of a boat whether that water is above deck or below. Imagine if those hatches had been sealed and none of that water was able to reach the bilge pumps to be shipped overboard.Then you would have a real problem. My 34 Venture bilges kick on during wash downs all the time and it makes me feel comfortable that they are doing what they were designed to do.

Boat ran great in those seas and I was impressed since I am in the market for a 36 Invincible or 39 Yellowfin,even though I never plan to run like that in those seas.
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I'm the guy in the black rain gear in the video. For everyone who thinks we were going to fast we were not. The video doesn't do justice to how big the seas were. Andre is a great captain who always puts his crew first. We make 6 and 7hundred mile trips on a regular basis,so he spends a lot of time at the helm. We fell of the back of a freak wave and nobody even saw it until it happened. To travel the distances we do and to have only had this happen once through 200ish miles of this stuff was a win in my book. For the boat bashers, you have lost your minds. This boat gets the hell beat out of it and has always got us home. You cannot compare a boat that has as many cup holders as rod holders to a tournament boat. We carry 475 gallons of fuel below deck 250 gallons on deck 2000 pounds of ice 150 gallons of bait wells 20 gallons of fresh water and 20 gallons of oil. That's a tournament boat so don't bash the guy who drove that 200 miles in 6 to 8 in the gulf, and took the top off one wave. There were only two other boats out that far in that stuff and they were both 60ft sporty. You cannot compare the gulf stream to the gom they are two different animals. The gom is like the worlds biggest washing mashine. You cannot put scupper plugs in an invincible, they have flappers. The water went to the bilge through the bilge hatch not anchor lockers or fish boxes. You cannot see it in the video but the water was over the bottom of the combing. This video was not posted to any forum by us. We put it on our youtube page just so our friends could see what happened not as a funny video.
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Try to pause it when the water hits. That was a big wave.
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Sounds to me like the manufacturer has a design problem either caused by not enough bow lift or the CG of the boat is way off. Step bottoms might cause the boat to slide around in a following sea, but should not have anything to do with stuffing the nose.
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Say what you may, no boat should stuff the nose in a following sea, unless there is a flaw in the design of the hull or the boat is not set up properly. I have run Intrepids and my Solid into the back of a 10Ft. wave and never had the bow go under. Sooner or later the manufacturer will end up being sued when somebody really gets hurt.
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I don't hate Invincible, I just know a problem with a hull design when I see one, and call it how I see it. Don't sell that Solid short, she will put all those over priced fishing wagons to shame in the Gulfstream, no matter what day it is, or what the weather is like, believe me I have been on and driven all of them.
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You geniuses are missing the entire point which was stated by the captain of the Invincible, he loaded two thousand pounds of weight in the nose of the boat, plus it appears the crew members might have been in the forward part of the cockpit, thereby changing the CG of the the boat, and the design of the bow of the boat did not provide sufficient lift to prevent the nose of the boat from going under. Hello !
So are you easing back on the design flaw theory or did the boat stuff as a result of the extra weight in the bow in combination of the bad hull design?

Or is it at all possible the boat has a good hull design and it stuffed simply because the captain couldn't react to the next wave quick enough and the extra weight just increased the amount of water that came over the bow?

Based on your comments on the all mighty Solid 40 I assume you can load the bow with 2000 pounds and it would never stuff into a wave?
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Can we get back to the guy scooping handfuls of water out? I feel for him cause I've been in a boat with water up to my shins...but man that's pretty funny to watch. I think I would have gone with the between the legs doggy technique.
Agreed. I was hoping the captain was going to rib one of his mates with his post. That looked like Giligan stuff. He seemed desperate. Maybe he was hollering for a bucket but it sure looked ridiculous.
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I'm the guy in the black rain gear in the video. For everyone who thinks we were going to fast we were not. The video doesn't do justice to how big the seas were. Andre is a great captain who always puts his crew first. We make 6 and 7hundred mile trips on a regular basis,so he spends a lot of time at the helm. We fell of the back of a freak wave and nobody even saw it until it happened. To travel the distances we do and to have only had this happen once through 200ish miles of this stuff was a win in my book. For the boat bashers, you have lost your minds. This boat gets the hell beat out of it and has always got us home. You cannot compare a boat that has as many cup holders as rod holders to a tournament boat. We carry 475 gallons of fuel below deck 250 gallons on deck 2000 pounds of ice 150 gallons of bait wells 20 gallons of fresh water and 20 gallons of oil. That's a tournament boat so don't bash the guy who drove that 200 miles in 6 to 8 in the gulf, and took the top off one wave. There were only two other boats out that far in that stuff and they were both 60ft sporty. You cannot compare the gulf stream to the gom they are two different animals. The gom is like the worlds biggest washing mashine. You cannot put scupper plugs in an invincible, they have flappers. The water went to the bilge through the bilge hatch not anchor lockers or fish boxes. You cannot see it in the video but the water was over the bottom of the combing. This video was not posted to any forum by us. We put it on our youtube page just so our friends could see what happened not as a funny video.
Gotta say, if I was in the market, that post alone would sell me a 36 invincible.

I'm glad the video got posted so that those of us that do venture way offshore on a regular basis don't take for granted how easily this can happen no matter what boat your in or how many hours you've logged. To those who say what should or should not have happened, you simply aren't experienced enough to relate.

The only question I think that matters is whether or not you guys made it on the board?
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You geniuses are missing the entire point which was stated by the captain of the Invincible, he loaded two thousand pounds of weight in the nose of the boat, plus it appears the crew members might have been in the forward part of the cockpit, thereby changing the CG of the the boat, and the design of the bow of the boat did not provide sufficient lift to prevent the nose of the boat from going under. Hello !

i'm not sure if I can roll my eyes any further back into my head.

what evidence led you to think the crew was up forward? because you couldn't see them until they got washed to the stern? you couldn't see the console in the video either.... Nor could you see the M&Ms until they made it to the stern, yet the captain has already stated that they were on the console.

Wait, you know what? I think I solved it.

The boat was carrying 13 more blue M&Ms than yellow ones. The blue M&Ms weigh more and therefore the boat was overloaded and stuffed the bow because of that.


You know, it's really a shame that the captain/crew felt the need to join THT just to defend themselves against all of these Keyboard Captains. People should really think before they type. At least with typing you can go back and change stuff before you hit "SEND". I'd hate to hear these people actually speak out in the real world.
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Where on earth do you put 250 GALLONS of fuel "on deck" ?
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Where on earth do you put 250 GALLONS of fuel "on deck" ?


fuel bladders.

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Thanks for posting the video.

Its amazing how we try to justify everything. Going fast, in rough conditions and you hit a freak wave (or it hit you). $hit happens and many times to those with the most experience. Kudos to you for posting the video. Most people on this forum would not have the stones to post it for fear of the nonsensical comments.

I think the main purpose should be to help keep people vigilant at the helm.
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Ok....I have seen plenty of SF's do it to run to Mexico etc....but a 7 1/2 foot by 5 1/2 foot by 1 1/2 foot bag tank rolling around on a CC seems a
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Cool video, 'Stuff Happens'.... right?

If you have never stuffed a big CC or never hit bottom then you have probably never really been anywhere or done anything.

I stuffed a 37' Midnight so bad once the 1/2" windshield smashed. I guess that means the boat is no good and I can not drive.

NOLIMIT40 - you could not pay me enough money to go out and run with that Invincible on that day in a solid, IMHO that wave would have sunk the solid outright.
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I'm the guy in the black rain gear in the video. For everyone who thinks we were going to fast we were not. The video doesn't do justice to how big the seas were. Andre is a great captain who always puts his crew first. We make 6 and 7hundred mile trips on a regular basis,so he spends a lot of time at the helm. We fell of the back of a freak wave and nobody even saw it until it happened. To travel the distances we do and to have only had this happen once through 200ish miles of this stuff was a win in my book. For the boat bashers, you have lost your minds. This boat gets the hell beat out of it and has always got us home. You cannot compare a boat that has as many cup holders as rod holders to a tournament boat. We carry 475 gallons of fuel below deck 250 gallons on deck 2000 pounds of ice 150 gallons of bait wells 20 gallons of fresh water and 20 gallons of oil. That's a tournament boat so don't bash the guy who drove that 200 miles in 6 to 8 in the gulf, and took the top off one wave. There were only two other boats out that far in that stuff and they were both 60ft sporty. You cannot compare the gulf stream to the gom they are two different animals. The gom is like the worlds biggest washing mashine. You cannot put scupper plugs in an invincible, they have flappers. The water went to the bilge through the bilge hatch not anchor lockers or fish boxes. You cannot see it in the video but the water was over the bottom of the combing. This video was not posted to any forum by us. We put it on our youtube page just so our friends could see what happened not as a funny video.

Don't sweat the morons that have never left the pass when it's blowing past 10 kts. The boat was running great in those seas. It actually looks like the extra weight helps her run better. The video is awesome.
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Cool video, 'Stuff Happens'.... right?

If you have never stuffed a big CC or never hit bottom then you have probably never really been anywhere or done anything.

Agree, I have stuffed every boat I have owned. It happens even if you're being careful. You're working the seas and making headway but there is always that one wave top that you can't keep from coming over the bow.

And while speed makes it easier to stuff it, you can stuff it at slow speeds as well in a head sea. You roll over the top of one wave only to have the next one break over your bow.

I stuffed my 30 Scarab Sport a few times. Had a foot of water on the deck which can be scary because those boats drain every drop of water into the bilge. I had 2 big pumps on the boat so I just allowed it to drain on it's own. It took a while.

My Marlin 350, I haven't stuffed it at speed but I did "dip" the bow a couple of times taking a wave over the bow.

It happens, no big deal.
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Great Video. I would love to have seen a camera facing forward to see what it may have looked like from the crew's perspective. I have some experience on the 36 Invincible, and if I had to be in those conditions that is for sure a boat I would want to be on. Unfortunately the scuppers on that boat are pretty small when you consider the amount of deck space. They also have a grate over them, so something as small as a gum wrapper or a cigarette pack plastic sleeve could easily block them off, use this as a reminder to keep your deck clean when running. There is no amount of scupper that is going to drain that much water very fast. A Tuna door would be the best bet, just not sure about breaking the transom on a 900 hp boat, that is a lot of lost structure. I was amazed how fast those bilge pumps came on, and ran solid. I would not have expected that much water to go below deck that fast, but in defense that boat has a ton of very large hatches.

Great job making it back in one peace, plus a few bruises. Great job to the crew, and yes the scooping water out was pretty funny, but I can imagine the instant panic when your shin deep in water miles from shore and in rough seas. 2,000# in the bow and another 600 gallons?? (4800# of water) in the rear, that would be very hard for most boats to handle in calm seas.
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I'm the guy in the black rain gear in the video. For everyone who thinks we were going to fast we were not. The video doesn't do justice to how big the seas were. Andre is a great captain who always puts his crew first. We make 6 and 7hundred mile trips on a regular basis,so he spends a lot of time at the helm. We fell of the back of a freak wave and nobody even saw it until it happened. To travel the distances we do and to have only had this happen once through 200ish miles of this stuff was a win in my book. For the boat bashers, you have lost your minds. This boat gets the hell beat out of it and has always got us home. You cannot compare a boat that has as many cup holders as rod holders to a tournament boat. We carry 475 gallons of fuel below deck 250 gallons on deck 2000 pounds of ice 150 gallons of bait wells 20 gallons of fresh water and 20 gallons of oil. That's a tournament boat so don't bash the guy who drove that 200 miles in 6 to 8 in the gulf, and took the top off one wave. There were only two other boats out that far in that stuff and they were both 60ft sporty. You cannot compare the gulf stream to the gom they are two different animals. The gom is like the worlds biggest washing mashine. You cannot put scupper plugs in an invincible, they have flappers. The water went to the bilge through the bilge hatch not anchor lockers or fish boxes. You cannot see it in the video but the water was over the bottom of the combing. This video was not posted to any forum by us. We put it on our youtube page just so our friends could see what happened not as a funny video.
You really go through that much gas and ice? How many days are you out fishing?
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We fished the MGCBC in a 392 Nor-Tech. The seas got pretty sporty Saturday night and stayed that way through Sunday. They were steep and one rogue wave could have easily resulted in a stuff. I saw the props of some 65 footers multiple times. We made our way back from green canyon and were cruising around 35-40 in the big following sea. Fortunately, we never stuffed, but one wrong set going a little too fast and it could have easily happened. No conspiracy here. Just big, short period waves.

Glad you guys made it back safe. Those were definately some tough conditions.
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No one here has mentioned the props on this Invincible. He could just be running the wrong props.
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Good thing he didn;t hook up with any marlings, hate to see the outcome in that!!!!
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If you have 6 feet length of water, 4 feet deep and 10 feet wide you have 1795.3 gallons. It takes a while for that to drain.....
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