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Old 05-04-2005, 12:53 PM
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Default Evinrude Ficht 225 "No Oil" Alarm "Help!"

Need Some Opinions,

Last Spring My 2000 Ficht 225 "No Oil" light, and alarm started to come on intermitently. Mostly when running slow or idling. Took it to the dealer, he tuned it, checked it over and located no problem. First trip out did it again only when running slow. Turn off engine, restart, no indicators, runs great, appears to be using oil normally. Next trip begins to alarm more frequently, even at higher RPMs. Back to the shop.

Sometimes when the "No Oil" light/alarm come on is when there is a slight miss or stutter in the motor, sort of like my old dirt bike did with fouled plugs. Other times it is running smoothly. Changed fuel filter, doesn't help. Thinking bad fuel or oil.

I take it back to the shop and am told it is a bad computer. Two months later, I get it back, running great.

Monday, out on the Chesapeake and once again "No Oil" alarm while slow running. Exact same problem. Only about 20 hours since new computer.

I am still inclined to think Fuel or Oil, or maybe gunked up lines, or even spark plugs. Anyone have any suggestions, or know of a great FICHT man in the Tidewater, VA area. "No Oil" alarms are a little bit distracting. (King of the obvious)

Thanks in advance,

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Old 05-04-2005, 01:27 PM
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What kind of oil are you running? Some cheaper oils are prone to having problems of being too thick when it's cold out. You should be running XD-50, XD-100 when it's really cold.
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I have an 03 E200. I had the same alarm, but my RPM's would shut down as well. Turned out to be the oil lift pump. The part was warrantied and I've been fine since. My only problem to date. Very nice motor.
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Old 05-04-2005, 08:11 PM
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I had a similar problem with an older Evinrude 150. When new we had an intermittant oil alarm. Dealer changed injection pump. Problem came back. After another trip to dealer where they couldn't fix it, I decided to take matters into my own hands. I found that by pumping the prime bulb on the oil tank the alarm would clear for a while.

It turned out that where the oil line connects to the engine nipple (just inside cover) it was ever so slightly loose. Not loose loose, just not tight. They only had a plastic rachet clamp on it. So I cut back to some fresh hose and put a worm drive hose clamp on it. Problem solved! That is for about 7 years. Then same issue. Hose seemed to "swell" a little over time. So, I just cut another 1" off to get fresh hose, reclamped fixed again. Been good for 3 more years (so far).

In general, the oil is so thick that when a pump is trying to draw this oil out of a reservior, the slightest chance for air to leak in and it will. this causes the alarm (at least for me) Might want to check this. And - does the alarm clear if you pump the oil prime ball (assuming you have one)?

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They only had a plastic ratchet clamp on it. So I cut back to some fresh hose and put a worm drive hose clamp on it. Problem solved! That is for about 7 years. Then same issue. Hose seemed to "swell" a little over time. So, I just cut another 1" off to get fresh hose, re clamped fixed again. Been good for 3 more years (so far).
The "fresh hose" is a good idea, but I am against the worm gear clamp. Those can be easily over tightened and actually cause air leaks (like cracking the plastic nipple under the hose.) Most (all?) oil injection system work off of suction so even the tiniest of air leak will cause a failure.

I would strongly suggest you spend the $50 or so and replace all of your oil and gas hoses. After how many years, will it bankrupt you ? Why wait for yet another failure ?

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Old 05-04-2005, 08:31 PM
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Most "No Oil" problems (regardless of what manufacturer) are caused by air leaks in the system. You need to carefully inspect every inch of the oil feed hose from the tank all the way up into the engine compartment. Leaks typically occur at connections. Plastic nipples can crack especially if clamps are over tightened. Replace anything that looks suspect. Also look carefully for kinks or pinches.

The second most common problem is something blocking the pickup tube/filter sock in the oil tank. Disconnect the tank, remove it from the boat and clean it thoroughly. Be careful with the hoses and clamps when re installing it.

The suggestion to change oil is also a good one. XD-50 or XD-100 are excellent for that engine. Pennzoil Full Synthetic 2 stroke also works well. As a bonus, you will get less smoke and plug fouling with a full synthetic.

Rarely is a bad computer the cause of a "No Oil" warning.
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Of course they can be overtightened. That's why I didn't overtighten it.

This went to a factory authorized repair center 3 times and they couldn't fix it despite throwing a new injection pump at it. Of course people have to be careful with things (not be a gorilla) if they don't know what they're doing. I have worked on engines all of my life. I have a current ASE Master certification, was a technical trainer for Champion Spark Plug, and taught at OMC dealer school. Plastic ratchet clamps are junk and are only used because of the speed of using them on an assembly line and cost. They are usually only used to hold rubber lines on fittings where there is no pressure or vacuum involved. (i.e. breather tubes on engines). As far as replacing everything - there's nothing wrong with them. they're like new. This boat is a "freshie" only and garage kept. Amazing if you remove UV how things stay. Actually, come to think of it, I may do steering and throttle cables this season (10 years).

Seriously, I'm just trying to help this guy out. If he has a similar problem, he can decide how to best address it. I'm just suggesting one place to look based on my experience.

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Old 05-04-2005, 08:48 PM
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Thanks fellas...all great suggestions. I am running Evinrude Ficht oil at my selling/maintaining dealers suggestion. Expensive, but Ficht users have told me it's the way to go with that engine.

I do have an oil pump ball, but have not tried to pump it while the alarm was sounding. I always have shut down the motor, then restarted, and this cleared the alarm.

I am feeling pretty good about the 'air leak' and 'blocked pickup tube/filter sock' ideas, and will probably replace the oil reservoir and lines as suggested.

Thanks for all the great input. Anyone know a good Ficht man in southeastern Virginia?

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You need to clean the oil tank/screen out approx every 100 hours. I also filter every gallon of oil that is poured into the tank. Then inspect the primer bulb and lines for cracks / air leaks
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I also had the same problem on an '05 250 and it was a bad gauge. Sometimes even when new, things could be bad!!!
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The only way to tell if there is an oil pressure problem is to hook up a gauge and monitor it while running the engine. That is described in the service manual, or use the new oil pressure adapter that is a special tool available at a dealer.

What code number is stored in the computer? From the code, you can tell if you have a pump problem or an oil injector problem.

There is an oil pressure regulator that can stick open, causing low pressure. The boat could have a kinked or blocked oil feed line, plugged filter, or a loose connection.
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