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Old 03-17-2013, 01:50 PM
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Default Yamaha 250XCA vs 250XA repower

Which one would be the better choice?..i know the XCA is all digital with command link but is like 3800 more bucks do to re-rigging and gauges...Yamaha is doing a 5yr warranty special up to March 31st on both motors...any input would be appreciated
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Which one would be the better choice?..i know the XCA is all digital with command link but is like 3800 more bucks do to re-rigging and gauges...Yamaha is doing a 5yr warranty special up to March 31st on both motors...any input would be appreciated
How about etec. They are offering digital controls for free right now and a 5 year warranty. I would not buy a Yamaha until I was certain their corrosion issues were solved.
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What hull? Whats on there now?
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The XCA is badass. I couldn't imagine not having the digital throttle now. It's night and day difference. I love it, and think it's worth the cost...

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How about etec. They are offering digital controls for free right now and a 5 year warranty. I would not buy a Yamaha until I was certain their corrosion issues were solved.
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What hull? Whats on there now?
Its a Sailfish236..theres a F225 on it now
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Where'd you escape from?
Amazing isn't it?

An answer to a question that was never asked.

Is it failure to read the question being asked or failure to comprehend the English language?
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Virginia, it would appear....
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Its a Sailfish236..theres a F225 on it now
If you are happy with the F225 now you would be more than happy with the F250XA. Depending upon the age of your control cables you might want to install a new pair. They are super slick and if you did not put your hands on a digital throttle you would think there can be no further improvement.

Having said this, the electronic controls are the cats meow. It is just a matter of money. The F250XCA is slightly lighter but if your boat was OK with the F225 the F250XA will be fine.

The F250XA can function with your existing gauges on a plug and play basis if you are happy with them. The F250XCA can also use your existing gauges but some additional parts will be required, at some additional expense.
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http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...rrosion-3.html

Note the pictures of the corroded engine block are of his F250 not the F225.
Seems to me he is offering sound advice.
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http://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-...rrosion-3.html

Note the pictures of the corroded engine block are of an F250 not the F225.
An F250TXRD I believe.

And this has what to do with either the F250XA or F250XCA?
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An F250TXRD I believe.

And this has what to do with either the F250XA or F250XCA?
Anyone getting ready to lay down a big chunk of $$$ on a Yamaha Four-stroke outboard regardless of letter designation or control system, should be aware that that there are hundreds if not thousands of current owners of big Yamaha Four-stroke outboards, purchased within the last ten years, that are corroding away , in some cases repairable with midsection exhaust parts, in other cases the corrosion has migrated into the power head. Those pouring and drinking the Yamaha flavored koolaid might like to pretend that four-stroke corrosion is not a significant problem ,even if the Yamaha corrosion problem is so wide spread new midsection parts on some Yamaha engine models have been SOLD OUT and National data bases are being created of dissatisfied Yamaha Four-stroke outboard owners currently dealing with corrosion related failures.

Pictures in the link I re-posted, are of a F250, a Yamaha Four-stroke outboard, a model that was until recently not considered to have the corrosion malady, unfortunately that clearly is not reality.

Fancy new FBW technology, applied to outboard control, I am sure works just nifty. Splitting the better part of 10,000 hours in the 777 and A320/319, I am no stranger to FBW technology, but if the engine that the FBW happens to be controlling is a Yamaha four-stroke outboard, and if the nifty new FBW "Yammy" still has the same metallurgy and coatings that have gone into past Yamaha Four-stokes, the proud new owners of the fancy , new FBW Yamaha Four-stroke (insert XYZ /suffix du jour here) just may find himself 4 or 5 years from now, out of warranty, owning an outboard with a revolutionary new control system that also happens to be a $20,000, six hundred pound paper weight, because the mechanical components of the engine are Swiss cheesed from exhaust corrosion.

As for the poster being accused of "escaping", seems to me he failed. That is FAILED to "escape" from the Yamaha Dealership without being DUPED , into believing that the Yamaha Four-stroke outboard engine he was purchasing did not have a manufacturing defect that would ultimately end with the engine being scrap metal due to corrosion LONG before one would expect the service life of a nearly $20,000 outboard engine to terminate .


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I had a pair of F225's with 2600hrs on each, and re-powered with XA's. I utilized my rigging and saved alot of money. I believe that the old F250's are one of the best motors ever made. If your boat ran ok with the F225 then it will sing with a XA. Personally, I would make my decision between an F250XA mechanical and a new F300.
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here is a pic of my 05 F225...the reason i am doing the re-power in the first place..I have been told this problem is no longer an issue..I have not heard of any after 07,or did i miss something?

The main reason i posted was to see if anyone had positive or negative feed-back with the newer engines..
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Pictures in the link I re-posted, are of a F250, a Yamaha Four-stroke outboard, a model that was until recently not considered to have the corrosion malady, unfortunately that clearly is not reality.
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This is simply incorrect. The early model F250's shared the same parts that are used in the F200/F225's and which have been superceded by upgraded parts. In fact, the kit developed for the 04 and 05 F200/F225's also covers the early F250's. It says so right on the parts label.

You seem to be damning all Yamaha models for the sins of a few.

I note that you fly the Boeing B-777. Is it to be criticized because the B-787 is presently grounded with no known date for regaining its certificate of airworthiness? I don't think so but maybe you do. Different airplanes, different designs and parts, different problems.

The Ficht had a number of known problems. It was superceded to the Etec. Is the Etec to be blamed for the sins of the Ficht? I don't think so but you might.
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here is a pic of my 05 F225...the reason i am doing the re-power in the first place..I have been told this problem is no longer an issue..I have not heard of any after 07,or did i miss something?

The main reason i posted was to see if anyone had positive or negative feed-back with the newer engines..
Big question I would have (as a Yamaha F225 owner who paid for the midsection rebuild) is are the newer Yamaha four strokes not corroding because the manufacturing DEFECT is actually FIXED or is it simply because the newer Yamaha four-strokes do not have enough exposure time on them to have the corrosion problem manifest??

If you asked in 2007 how many 2004 F225s had "corrosion problems" the answer would have been few if any.

Ask that same question 4 or 5 years later and the answer is much different.

No corrosion problems in the 08s, 09s and 10s, 13s might have something to do with changes in material and manufacturing then again and it might also have a lot to with the lack of exposure time to the conditions that cause the corrosion.
I really hope the next time I pull my lower unit that the NEW and improved Yamaha components that have been installed in my leg are not rotting, and if that is true, I will post it here with pictures, until then, I shall remain extremely skeptical of any declarations that the corrosion defect plaguing Yamaha four-strokes has been fixed.....

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Personally, if I was wronged by a company once, I wouldn't go back.. Especially considering the amount of good alternatives out there.
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Pictures in the link I re-posted, are of a F250, a Yamaha Four-stroke outboard, a model that was until recently not considered to have the corrosion malady, unfortunately that clearly is not reality.
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This is simply incorrect. The early model F250's shared the same parts that are used in the F200/F225's and which have been superceded by upgraded parts. In fact, the kit developed for the 04 and 05 F200/F225's also covers the early F250's. It says so right on the parts label.

You seem to be damning all Yamaha models for the sins of a few.

I note that you fly the Boeing B-777. Is it to be criticized because the B-787 is presently grounded with no known date for regaining its certificate of airworthiness? I don't think so but maybe you do. Different airplanes, different designs and parts, different problems.

The Ficht had a number of known problems. It was superceded to the Etec. Is the Etec to be blamed for the sins of the Ficht? I don't think so but you might.
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Back to the original question... XCA vs. XA. We just purchased a Hurricane 2400 OB with the 250XA. Prior to buying the boat, we took a 2400 OB with the 300 (XCA) and one with the 250XA out for sea trials. First thing I noticed is that's only about 2 mph difference in top speed. Performance guides show a slight improvement in fuel economy for the 300 and then there's the fly-by-wire digital part. The mechanical controls on my 2013 250XA are improved over my 08 150. Even running the engines back to back... the difference isn't worth the cost, IMO. The XCA is base on the 4.2 L engine which is a newer engine where the XA is based on an older 3.3 L engine. For me it came down to saving $$$. I don't think there is a right or wrong answer.
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I note that you fly the Boeing B-777. Is it to be criticized because the B-787 is presently grounded with no known date for regaining its certificate of airworthiness?
A somewhat ass backwards analogy, but I will attempt to answer it as best I can.

If I was given the responsibility for buying new aircraft for an airline and if I had believed the sale pitch presented by Boeing in regard to the 787, and if I had been responsible for spending billions of dollars on the 787, and if I was ever again given the responsibility of making another large aircraft order , I would approach any future dealing with the Boeing Corporation with EXTREME trepidation as a result of the 787 debacle. I would also make sure to tell any potential future customers of Boeing Aircraft what my experiences had been with the 787 procurement process and service reliability.

Yamaha has a generation of large four stroke outboards, less then 10 years old, that originally cost their owners over $15,000, these engine were advertised as being designed for salt water use. Each year, more and more owners of these Yamaha four-stroke engines discover they have massive corrosion issues. Take one of these engines into any Yamaha Dealer in the USA within 500 miles of a salt water coast line and talk about trading it in, I guarantee the dealer will bring up the subject of midsection exhaust corrosion in regard to the trade in value of your engine. You either work for Yamaha or have a great love for their product, good for you. Either way, I'd wager you did not have an F225 or other Yamaha four-stroke rot out on you, that you had the pleasure of spending thousands on to have repaired.

You claim all Yamaha's corrosion issues with the four-strokes are solved, well I hope so because in 2011 I paid to have the supposedly new and improved midsection parts installed in my F225. Then again, I also was told at the time I bought my F225 they were designed to be operated in a salt water environment.

Yamaha IMO has no reputation in regard to their big four-strokes after this cluster phuk and folks who are getting ready to drop big $$$$ on new Yamaha four-strokes, deserve to know what is going on with hundreds if not thousands of us who are very dissatisfied owners..........
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