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Old 02-17-2013, 07:19 PM
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Default Grady White 208 Yamaha Repower-I4 F200 Performance #'s Pg 6

I just sold my original yamaha 150 today and my Grady 208 will be powerless this week. I have been debating between the new yamaha f200 at a price tag of roughly 15.5k rigged or finding a slightly used f250 for 9-10k.

Pros of new IMO is warranty, latest technology, new f200 is light! Cons are $$$ and 50 hp less than max.

I'm only debating this because I am terrified of putting 11-12k on the table for a used motor and the thing blows up on me 2 months later and I have no recourse.

Anyone had that happen? What would you guys do?

Update: Purchased new I4 F-200. Will be posting pics!
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No brainer buy a new 200 or 250.u get the extra 2 year warranty right now if u buy before march 31.Thats 5 years of coverage.The new 200 sounds like its going to be awesome.people already have tested them and love them.anything used u are taking a chance and if its mostly saltwater use then u really taking a chance.
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I just sold my original yamaha 150 today and my Grady 208 will be powerless this week. I have been debating between the new yamaha f200 at a price tag of roughly 15.5k rigged or finding a slightly used f250 for 9-10k.

Pros of new IMO is warranty, latest technology, new f200 is light! Cons are $$$ and 50 hp less than max.

I'm only debating this because I am terrified of putting 11-12k on the table for a used motor and the thing blows up on me 2 months later and I have no recourse.

Anyone had that happen? What would you guys do?
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Another option it to try and find a slightly used motor that still has some warranty. I was trying to figure out which way to go last year my self when I was thinking about going to bigger motors. When pricing new twins, I just couldn"t justify the cost when my motors were still running good. Then I ran across some with a year and a half of warranty left for substatially less than new and went that route. If you get a used yamaha that is still in warranty (i.e. basic 3 year) you can also buy the extended warranty. However, I'm not sure you will find a F250 that is still in warranty for $9K (including the command link rigging). If you do, that is probably a good price. Just my opinion.
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New. 5 years of warranty will ease alot of sleepless nights. Its only money.
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I don't think you can get the extended warranty in Florida...The state has very strict laws regarding pricing on Extended Warranties and they can't legally do it. If I recall they do something different there (credit toward rigging, etc....)

That said, if your 208 is pre-2002 or so, I'd be careful about hanging an old F200 on it because of the weight penalty. GW moved the tanks forward in '02 to compensate.

Have you looked at a 200 HPDI? Less $$$, no weight issues, and a great motor....
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I don't think you can get the extended warranty in Florida...The state has very strict laws regarding pricing on Extended Warranties and they can't legally do it. If I recall they do something different there (credit toward rigging, etc....)

That said, if your 208 is pre-2002 or so, I'd be careful about hanging an old F200 on it because of the weight penalty. GW moved the tanks forward in '02 to compensate.

Have you looked at a 200 HPDI? Less $$$, no weight issues, and a great motor....
I belive the incentive applies as per the reps at the boat show this weekend. I am really only considering F250 if I am going to deal with the weight of the 3.3L Yammi. After I Installed the bow pulpit and windlass, chain etc. my boat sits a bit bow heavy at rest. It is a 93' so it doesnt have the tank offset. I have had a 120 lb person sit on my cowling and it made the boat sit level.
I do prefer to have the less weight of the new f200 however.

I am not bashing the HPDI but I know alot of people who have taken out powerheads on them (150-300 range). I am sure they are excellent motors but I personally know too many people who have lost one to powerhead failure and I also am looking to eliminate the two stroke oil in my future.
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Still a 500# + motor which is around 75# more than the old 150. And the added bow weight all combine to make boat sit lower . Check the scuppers and thru hulls to see if they were OK?
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Buying used is not the crapshoot it once was.

A printout, warranty history, service records, and a good inspection puts you in pretty good shape. Having warranty left is a bonus.
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I don't usually worry about buying used too much as long as everything checks out. But looking at performance numbers, the 200 looks like it would be plenty sufficient for the 208: http://www.gradywhite.com/208/performance_data/ even fuel economy looks quite a bit better for the 200.

Plus if you're really happy with the boat, then it would be nice to have solid new power for a very long time with warranty and no worries. And I'm normally one to go with buying max power always.
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Boy, it's real simple for me. I'd put an OX66 on it without thinking. The boat was designed for a lightweight 2-stroke. You can buy a 2.6 litre or 3.1 litre OX66 all day for $5,000 or less. Spend another $1,000 upgrading the motor with all the maintenance items and impovements detailed here on THT and put the rest of your money in the bank. I've heard too many bad stories of these heavy 4-strokes on old boats. At $15,500 that's approaching the book value of the boat. In fact, I wonder if you can insure the boat for the additional cost of the engine. Worth looking into...
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Boy, it's real simple for me. I'd put an OX66 on it without thinking. The boat was designed for a lightweight 2-stroke. You can buy a 2.6 litre or 3.1 litre OX66 all day for $5,000 or less. Spend another $1,000 upgrading the motor with all the maintenance items and impovements detailed here on THT and put the rest of your money in the bank. I've heard too many bad stories of these heavy 4-strokes on old boats. At $15,500 that's approaching the book value of the boat. In fact, I wonder if you can insure the boat for the additional cost of the engine. Worth looking into...
I love OX66's and have had awesome experiences with them. I am leaning four stroke because of the radical increase in fuel economy. I am going out 3x a week and with the 150 carb i was burning 2.2-2.3 mpg. With 4s power I can expect 50% increase based on all the performance reports I have read. I know that it is alot of $ to put into that boat but I have it rigged just the way I want it and it is in immaculate shape.

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It sure is a nice looking boat.
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I don't usually worry about buying used too much as long as everything checks out. But looking at performance numbers, the 200 looks like it would be plenty sufficient for the 208: http://www.gradywhite.com/208/performance_data/ even fuel economy looks quite a bit better for the 200.

Plus if you're really happy with the boat, then it would be nice to have solid new power for a very long time with warranty and no worries. And I'm normally one to go with buying max power always.
Your performance data is for the old F200, I think the new F200 (4 cyl) is similar in weight to the 150 he's removing.
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Your performance data is for the old F200, I think the new F200 (4 cyl) is similar in weight to the 150 he's removing.
Well, I didn't think it was necessary since the "new" 200 is just coming out. But either way, from all reports it's "better" than the old 200. Thus the reason for the reference.
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I think the new F200 4-cyl is more than15K installed.
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I agree with others and would reconsider spending 15-20K on a new motor for a boat of that vintage.

Went thru the same excercise 3 yrs ago and crunched the numbers. Looking at the picture you posted looks like lifots of extra stuff on that 208. Bowpulpit,windlass,hardtop,big flood, etc. Bet it weighs 500+ more than my '97 208. Mine has the factory Vista softop full enclosure powered with a Yamaha 2S SWSII 175 and is getting 2.6-2.8 mpg. The 208's just performed with a 150, especially the 4 cyl 4S model so I think you were 'struggling' to push what yours weighs and maybe using more WOT to get her up and running then if you had more HP. And you know how a 2S really burns the gas at WOT. Hence the lower MPG. The performance reports show our hulls really do well with 4S 200hp. But there were older performance reports showing 2S 175 was a 'sweet spot' and why so many came rigged as such. The Yamaha/Grady performance reports have around 4 mpg for the 4S 200 motors. But you will get less due to yours having the extra weight and T-Top. Factor in the increased maintenance costs and the difference buys lots of gas. And the older 2S weigh less so no worries about hull trim. With all the combined extra weight I would be concerned about the cockpit scuppers and baitbox/livewell thru hulls on the port/sbtd sides taking on water from being too close to the waterline or submerged.
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I agree with others and would reconsider spending 15-20K on a new motor for a boat of that vintage.

Went thru the same excercise 3 yrs ago and crunched the numbers. Looking at the picture you posted looks like lifots of extra stuff on that 208. Bowpulpit,windlass,hardtop,big flood, etc. Bet it weighs 500+ more than my '97 208. Mine has the factory Vista softop full enclosure powered with a Yamaha 2S SWSII 175 and is getting 2.6-2.8 mpg. The 208's just performed with a 150, especially the 4 cyl 4S model so I think you were 'struggling' to push what yours weighs and maybe using more WOT to get her up and running then if you had more HP. And you know how a 2S really burns the gas at WOT. Hence the lower MPG. The performance reports show our hulls really do well with 4S 200hp. But there were older performance reports showing 2S 175 was a 'sweet spot' and why so many came rigged as such. The Yamaha/Grady performance reports have around 4 mpg for the 4S 200 motors. But you will get less due to yours having the extra weight and T-Top. Factor in the increased maintenance costs and the difference buys lots of gas. And the older 2S weigh less so no worries about hull trim. With all the combined extra weight I would be concerned about the cockpit scuppers and baitbox/livewell thru hulls on the port/sbtd sides taking on water from being too close to the waterline or submerged.
Very good points. I was struggling to push the weight with the 150. I've already sold my motor so the boat is now powerless. She was derigged today. The new 4s 200 is only 43 lbs heavier than my current 150 so I don't think the weight will affect at all. I have no more oil tank anymore so that took 18 lbs out of the rear of the boat.

I understand that 15+k for the new 4s 200 sounds like a lot to spend on my vintage boat but the only thing that makes me think twice is that I have spent 6-7k plus brand new trailer on this boat in upgrades and I have her looking new. I am still on the fence and have not yet received final payment for my old motor. Once I have the $ in hand I will really start crunching numbers.

What was your result when you crunched the numbers? What made you decide to stay put?
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The new F200 is not covered in the 5 yr promo from yamaha. You can purchase the extended warranty for 3 more yrs.
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