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Old 02-17-2013, 05:58 AM
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I'm guessing he is talking about his boat and.. won't be driving it on the road so he won't have to worry about road tax.
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Just a bit of information. The truck that delivered the diesel to your boat most likely also has delivered the same product for home heating oil. The delivery truck loads home heating oil and over the road diesel on the same arm at the terminal. The dye is added as the product goes on the truck. The red dye is an indication that it is non-taxable and is for off road use only. The only fuel available today is ultra low sulfur diesel. Most distributors can't even get the old low sulfur or high sulfur fuel anymore. If it were my fuel, I'd get a pump with a good quality filter and pump out your 275 tank into clean containers. Your motors will run just fine off of it as long as it is clean.

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I never heard about the GW authorization usage of offroad fuel use being ended. Most people never picked up on that allowance. That what you state is a EPA reg or some other reg. Not that it doesn't work.
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Not legal either.The feds want their road tax which isn't added to HHO.All the over the road truckers would love to run tax free oil,but the DOT's check for the right dye.No dye and your truck gets towed.

Muskamoot, I have never seen the DOT out in the Atlantic Ocean. Now thinking about it I have never seen a boat driving down the highway either!!!!! I guess you were thinking this is a tractor trailer forum not a boating forum. You can run any type of fuel you want in a boat. FYI I have a friend that pours cooking oil straight into his diesel tank on his 1997 powerchoke F-350. Truck runs better than it did before he started putting cooking oil in the tank. Plus the exhaust smells like fried chicken. No wonder he is always hungry!!! If it was me I would put the HHO in mine but in South,GA we don't have HHO.
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Common rail engines require a higher degree of clean fuel compared to the older engines. I would blend the HHO to 5% and feel comfortable..
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Some of you folks are getting a bit "trollish" on the dye issue. The dye just indicates that road fuel taxes have not been paid on the material. You can use it in your genny, your boat or give your self a high colonic with it. Just don't get caught driving down the road with it in your vehicle. The fines are pretty steep.

Also... You may eventually run enough clean fuel through your tank that the dye won't show in a fuel sample but it lasts a lot longer on your filter element.
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Not legal either.The feds want their road tax which isn't added to HHO.All the over the road truckers would love to run tax free oil,but the DOT's check for the right dye.No dye and your truck gets towed.
how does govt get tax $$ on electric cars???
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..... The only fuel available today is ultra low sulfur diesel.

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Sorry Charlie...not true.

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Wow, lots of bad info on here.
I worked for a heating oil company here in Maine and will give you my info.
Red Dye just means it is not road-excise taxed. and therefor cannot be used on-road
As of 2012 it is illegal to burn anything other that Ultra low suphur diesel in an engine weather on road or off. Just FYI, in case you really care.
Your common rail Volvo will run fine on Low Sulphur diesel, but may experience problems with High sulphur fuels. Check your manual and see if it has a spec for fuel quality.
I ran my cummins on HS fuel for many years. A frind of mine ran his 2005 Volvo D4 240 (common rail) on high sulphur fuel for the first few years when it was still available. He did have injector problems, but fuel may or may not have been the cause.
So you need to find out if your heating oil is High sulphur or not. If it is not you can run it just fine, if it is HS you should run a 2micron racor filter on your engine, and you may want to cut the fuel with ULSD. 5:1 will get you within LSD specs.
IF you are in NY and your fuel was delivered in 2012, it could be ULSD, but ask your supplier. And rememebr there will be sludge in the bottom of the tank, dont stir it up.
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HS fuel =+/- 3000ppm sulphur
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:08 AM
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Yes you can use HHO in place of #2 diesel. However there are some precautions. FOr the sake of discussion we will assume that you have done your due diligence with regard to filtration. And yes you can do the same with used veggie oil.

The problem you face once you have licked the filtration worries (very lickable problem I might add). You have to decide HOW you are going to burn it... SLOW or fast. If you want to use it up fast, mix it 50/50 BUT....you have to come up with a way to run straight diesel through your fuel lines for about 3 minutes prior to shut down. [b]HHO and veggie oil congeal [/B]at a much higher temperature than diesel does....you dont want your fuel lines stopped up with gelled HHO, WMO or WVO when you are trying to start your engine. There are even kits that install a heating element into your fuel tank to keep the oil fluid enough to use.

I would simply mix it with #2 diesel 5% at a time until it was all gone. The cheapest and easiest way to do it. Your Volvo can handle 5% waste motor oil, waste veggie oil or even home heating oil without issue.

For years we just pumped our waste oil straight from the main engines and generators into the fuel can. But then again.... a complete oil change on all 4 engines and 2 generators.... would be about 150 gallons of waste oil. Mix that with 4000 gallons of diesel....and go banging around in the Gulf of Mexico burning about 20 gallons per hour, per motor. You get the picture....those motors never even knew that WMO was there.

I think you mean lower temp. It has to be pretty cold for it to gel.It will start to congeal at temperatures below 20 degrees Fahrenheit,I think home heating oil is more refined then diesel.
There is very little difference between heating oil and diesel fuel but diesel has additives in it to increase the Cetaine level which stabilizes the combustion process.
You will want to add it in at a very limited rate - like one gallon of heating fuel each time you fill the tank until you use it up to avoid complications, if your typical fill up is 10 gallons or less then reduce that amount to around a half gallon per fill up - you want to keep the ratio of heating fuel to conventional diesel fuel at around 5% or less to avoid problems with low Cetaine levels or add a Cetaine boosting product like Power Clean Diesel additive - which when used in adequate quantities to make up for the lack of additives in the heating fuel
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NO WAY - do not use HHO in your tank unless the company delivering it to you is giving you ULSD as an alternative..it is common practice. If it is the real deal HHO, the BTU is much higher and too hot to run in your engine. You will burn out the heads and exhaust valves in a hurry. I had a friend with a fleet of trucks - he carries fuel - one of his guys put HHO in the fuel tank and he blew the engine from overheating.

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HHO and #2 are all the ULSD today. Off road is red that is the only difference. I could go into the reasons, but the bottom line they are the same thing except dyed or not.
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No, you can not safely burn heating oil or used cooking oil. Today's diesel isn't the same fuel engines were burning 40 years ago, less sulfur, parafins, etc. Cooking oil contains glycerine and glycerine will absolutely coke an engine and so will parafins. Biodiesel isn't cooking oil. It is an organic oil that has been pushed through a transesterification process and has also had moisture levels significantly reduced. Virgin organic oils also carry water and water destroys injector pumps, injectors, and makes acids post combustion.
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Here in the northeast whats in the tank at the marina is the same exact fuel thats in the tank that heats your house.

Red untaxed #2 diesel fuel.
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The only issue i would be concerned with is filtration, i run diesel fleet, and thru the years i have seen some filthy home heating oil which would gum up your engine, as long as you know it is clean i would go for it.
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