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Old 04-21-2005, 08:27 PM
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I have a friend who is shopping for his first boat. He asked me today to take a look at a 1998 23' Wellcraft Walkaround he is considering buying. The boat is at an inland dealer who "doesn't allow seatrials" , they offer a warranty that the boat will function as stated . When I looked at the boat I noticed that the transom had been awlgripped. There were small cracks in the glass on the inside of the transom corners behind the baitwells. Have there been any transom issues with this model? With exception of the transom the boat seems to be in average condition for its age/construction. I say have it surveyed, he seems to think buy it as is. What do you gents think? Any input would be appreciated.
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I had a 1996 23' WA (same model) that the transom was cracking from the weight of the kicker. The under the gunwhale rodboxes were force fit, the speedo hose leaked saltwater behind the dash.

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Thanks, I knew Wellcraft was a MASS produced boat and have been suspect of anything mass produced. I just wanted some first hand input. The awlgip on the transom was a scary sight.
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Well I own a 2001 Wellcraft W/A 22 ft...I wouldn't call it Wellcrap, its a nice boat, affordable......I have had no problems with it. Sure, its not your big time fishing machine, but I can get offshore and do bay fishing and also take the kids out for a ride...Its a boat more designed for family fishing and not hardcore fishing!!! To call it Wellcrap is a bit arrogant!!!!
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Not arrogant when you owned one. From the peanut gallery to speak of a friend of a friend that had one, maybe. I owned the 1996 version of the exact same boat.

Wiring was poorly done, the factory cut the holes for the under gunwhale fishboxes too big and "stretched the boxes to be able to get screws into the sides to hold it in. Nearly impossible to reinstall and used 5200 to install a lattice strip to hold a screw.

The trim around the cabin entry was not cut straight but trimmed with a nibbler.

The wood covered vinyl interior trim in the cabin was rotting.

Let's not forget:

THE TRANSOM WAS CRACKING DUE TO THE WEIGHT OF THE KICKER.
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Look it over carefully and if things look good go for it. I had a 1988 28 Coastal. That was a solid boat. And i used and abused it. It held up well. I can say that the factory wiring on that boat was some of the best i have ever seen on a boat in its same class. Very neat, labeled, and supported well. I thought the estringers in that boat were overkill to be honest. Like i said, Wellcraft had a solid boat with that model. Maybe the one you are considering is a bit different..
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The Coastal models are different animals - the 23wa is an "Excel" model that I beleive Wellcraft acquired. The Coastal is supposed to be a good boat, but I don't own one so I am only commenting on my experience.
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Greg, is it possible that maybe you got a bad boat??? The company has been around for a while so they must do something right! Im not saying they are the best, they are far from it, but I think they offer a quality product at a reasonable price for those of us who can't spend big bucks. Did you have a warranty? Maybe the boat you had was a bad model year, who knows! I can understand your distaste when something like that happens to you personally..........John
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No warranty but bear in mind I commented on my boat (other than the Wellcrap comment) and would not buy another, nor would I recommend them to anyone. Maybe it was bad one but the quality was so poor, some of which you wouldn't see unless you did some of your own installation.
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I've heard mixed reviews. the Coastal series are very well built as I understand it.
I've never owned one but was very close to purchasing one NEW in 1999 24wac.
Chose Seaswirl over Wellcraft. Under deck just wasn't up to par.
Cosmetically it looked great. Did not care at all for the glued in carpet in cabin.
That was a real deal killer for me.
The earlier Wellcraft (80's- early 90's) were TANKS.
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I have a friend who is shopping for his first boat. He asked me today to take a look at a 1998 23' Wellcraft Walkaround he is considering buying. The boat is at an inland dealer who "doesn't allow seatrials" , they offer a warranty that the boat will function as stated . When I looked at the boat I noticed that the transom had been awlgripped. There were small cracks in the glass on the inside of the transom corners behind the baitwells. Have there been any transom issues with this model? With exception of the transom the boat seems to be in average condition for its age/construction. I say have it surveyed, he seems to think buy it as is. What do you gents think? Any input would be appreciated.
Seems like your answer is in your post."Algripped Transome,Cracks"!!!I'd run like Hell!Obvious signs of Transom problems and the Boat is not really that old to boot.[Mike]
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I have a friend who is shopping for his first boat. He asked me today to take a look at a 1998 23' Wellcraft Walkaround he is considering buying. The boat is at an inland dealer who "doesn't allow seatrials" , they offer a warranty that the boat will function as stated . When I looked at the boat I noticed that the transom had been awlgripped. There were small cracks in the glass on the inside of the transom corners behind the baitwells. Have there been any transom issues with this model? With exception of the transom the boat seems to be in average condition for its age/construction. I say have it surveyed, he seems to think buy it as is. What do you gents think? Any input would be appreciated.
Seems like your answer is in your post."Algripped Transome,Cracks"!!!I'd run like Hell!Obvious signs of Transom problems and the Boat is not really that old to boot.[Mike]
That's the way I was leaning after we left the dealer, but my friend seems set on spending his money on that boat. I was hoping to get some first hand knowledge on transom issues. I hope multiple opinions will steer him away from the boat. I was ready to run when the dealer said they didn't do seatrials .
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Doesn't sound like dealer REALLY wants to sell boats as much as trap "laydowns"...transom description is scary...unless this arrogant dealer is offering a real low price, tell your friend to keep walkin'...
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Tell him to check my post on my Trophy 2302 for sale.

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Not arrogant when you owned one. From the peanut gallery to speak of a friend of a friend that had one, maybe. I owned the 1996 version of the exact same boat.

Wiring was poorly done, the factory cut the holes for the under gunwhale fishboxes too big and "stretched the boxes to be able to get screws into the sides to hold it in. Nearly impossible to reinstall and used 5200 to install a lattice strip to hold a screw.

The trim around the cabin entry was not cut straight but trimmed with a nibbler.

The wood covered vinyl interior trim in the cabin was rotting.

Let's not forget:

THE TRANSOM WAS CRACKING DUE TO THE WEIGHT OF THE KICKER.
I think that's your middle name ......... Wellcrap ........... and you don't want to admit it. I'd bet that there are many on the board tired of your ramblings for over a year now about your bad experience........ You need to give it a break....... There are bad Sea OXs, Gradys, Albemarles, and others. All have their unique problems. Others have had problems maybe worse than yo but I don't see them going on and on about it for so long. Anyone reading this board for any time knows that you had a "bad" 1996 boat. Sorry, you got one with a problem. Problems can be fixed and avoided if purchased correctly (ie; marine survey). Big deal. I agree with the arrogant statement above. You should just nicely give the man some good advice in general about buying a boat and leave it at that.

To the guy who's friend is buying the boat, I'd suggest a survey before you buy. Actually, any dealer that does not allow a sea trial should be avoided. You don't buy a motor vehicle without driving it, and sometimes for a couple of days before buying it, so why should someone be expected to buy a boat without one. Your well being and safety in some respects are more at risk with a boat. I'd walk away and look somewhere else.

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I think that's your middle name ......... Wellcrap ........... and you don't want to admit it. I'd bet that there are many on the board tired of your ramblings for over a year now about your bad experience........ You need to give it a break....... There are bad Sea OXs, Gradys, Albemarles, and others. All have their unique problems. Others have had problems maybe worse than yo but I don't see them going on and on about it for so long. Anyone reading this board for any time knows that you had a "bad" 1996 boat. Sorry, you got one with a problem. Problems can be fixed and avoided if purchased correctly (ie; marine survey). Big deal. I agree with the arrogant statement above. You should just nicely give the man some good advice in general about buying a boat and leave it at that.
I don't go on an on about it, in fact I checked over on TF and the last time I mentioned it was in January 29, 2004 and before that September 30, 2003. Looking here on THT, my comments were as follows:

June 8, 2004: I had a 1996 Wellcraft 24 WA that was the worst boat I ever owned. The plastic under the gunwale rod boxes were forced into place when they cut the hole for it too big. When they wired under the dash they put a hole in the speedometer hose spraying saltwater on the wiring . The trim around the cabin entrance was cut with a nibbler instead of a clean cut with a saw. The weight of the kicker on the bracket was cracking the transom.

Maybe they improved?

July 14, 2004: I had a very bad experience with a 1996 Wellcraft 23' WA and thought the quality to be poor.


If you paid attention to the comments, you'd realize that my statements were qualified to my specific boat which is the exact model his friend is looking at, only two years older and (now get this) having had a cracked transom, which is the exact problem he is asking about. He did not ask about general advice on buying a boat, he asked about a specific brand and model, which I commented on.

I don't like Wellcraft and generally don't comment anymore but I'm trying to save someone from the problems I dealt with. Wellcraft, I believe, bought Excel but their Coastal series was well regarded and has been for a long time.

So over the past two years, I count comments on five threads on two internet boards, hardly rambling*, but if thats what you would like to call it feel free. Nor would I call it going on and on.

Btw, I had the boat surveyed and no problems were noted. So my purchase was handled correctly.

*Main Entry: 1ram·ble
Pronunciation: 'ram-b&l
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): ram·bled; ram·bling /-b(&-)li[ng]/
Etymology: perhaps from Middle English romblen, frequentative of romen to roam
intransitive senses
1 a : to move aimlessly from place to place b : to explore idly
2 : to talk or write in a desultory or long-winded wandering fashion
3 : to grow or extend irregularly

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