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Old 12-23-2012, 05:40 PM
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Default 3m Finesse it II

Today I used Finesse it II on a rotary set at 2k using a 100%wool pad. Gell coat was moderately oxidized. It brought a great shine but left a haze. I clean the pad very well after every 2 ft section. I could not wipe off the haze. The gel looked ten times better but there was this slight haze I could not figure out how to get rid of.

So next I tried some Meguires #49 Oxidation Remover that was sitting in the shelf for 3 years. This stuff felt grittier and polished out without the haze, the haze was gone. So I thought, ok, maybe it needed more cut. Gloss was perfect but wanted to try and get more shine out this 89 gel coat. So I followed the #49 with Finesse it II. The haze came back. What the hell. Is Finesse It II not made for the rotary, wool, or is 2k too fast?

I keep the pad moist with sprayed water to help working times.

I ended up finishing below rub rail with #49 followed by collinite 885 applied by hand in this cool weather in South Florida (60s) and wiped off easy. Looked awesome and reflects the driveway/grass well.

So what I'm I doing wrong with the 3M Finesse It II? Tips? Suggestions?

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Hit it with the finesse it again and keep the buffer flat at 2500-3000 RPM's be sure to use a good amount of product and move the machine slowly so the finesse it can work. The finesse it should leave a shine like you have never seen on gel coat. that is my favorite product ever.
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Wow, 2500-3000?! And slowly? Ok I'll try those two tips on the transom in the next few days when I can sneak out during the holidays.


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ur not doing it right. finesse it is the shit
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Oh, one more question.

What 3m compound will cut more than the Finesse It II?

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ur not doing it right. finesse it is the shit
Elaborate please. I kinda figured I was "not doing it right". What pad, speed, and movement do you use?
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3m super duty i great stuff. it is also stronger than finesse it. use a wool pad.
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i bought the harbour freight rotary polisher. its good. it has variable speed which is what u need. also buy the wool pads for it in hf. my boat had mild to heavy. i used super duty3m first. hf rotary at 3 or 4. start w pressure for some time then let go. i mean only go hoz and ver a few passes w press then release. super duty is great stuff also.
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you're fine - you need to take the next "soft" step in polish...I believe in the 3M line it is imperial....Duragloss 501 for sure will do it...and 2500 is fine for rotation...you also could move to foam - green or gray pad.

clean the pad too....every 4 x 4 patch...
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2500-3000 rpm ? be careful you can burn gelcoat, 1500-2000 should be more the enough, keep it wet and your pad clean.
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3m super duty first then 3m finesse It and your haze will be gone
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3m super duty i great stuff. it is also stronger than finesse it. use a wool pad.
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I don't like the Super Duty anymore. I'd use 3M Color/Gloss Restorer followed by the Finesse it. Spur the pad occassionally. If the pad has a lot of buildup on it flip it over to a clean side. Did you say you were spraying with water to keep it wet? Could be part of the problem. I've never done that.
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The super duty compound is for very heavy cutting only. Be careful with it. In the autobody business we don't use super duty anymore because it scratches clearcoat. For final compounding try a foam pad it is all we use for paint work. The only time I have used super duty compound and wool pads now is to restore alloy rims on my truck.
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agreed...there is a lot of mis info here...although we don't have a pic and everyone including me is guessing, I think he needs to go softer to get rid of the haze, not more cut...

i would only use super duty and wool on a 30 year old junkyard boat....
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You shouldn't be finishing with a wool pad. Finish with a the lowest cut foam finishing pads. And you shouldn't ever finish with a pad that you also compounded with.
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Again, to clarify a little bit, #49 is a heavy duty compound and finished with a great gloss (without haze) that was very acceptable to wax over. But for kicks, I followed the same area with Finesse It II hoping to get more gloss since its more of of finisher. I tried the Finesse It II with a 100% wool and a finishing/polishing pad with the same haze at the end that the #49 ddi not have. The haze came from the Finesse It II process.

Maybe the speed,amount of pressure, or the water I spray on the pad to keep it moist. I'll try without the moist pad, and if that doesn't help, speed it up some as suggested.

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My fiberglass guy uses 3M Perfect it #1 on gel for best shine and 3M Perfect-it #2 on paint for best shine.
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http://www.smoovewax.com/
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The finesse it, if it dries leaves that haze I use that product regularly. If you cant get it all off wax will usually remove any residual from it. You shouldnt really be buffing at 2500-3000rpms I would recommend somewhere between 1500-2000.

Perfect 1 is good but thats a fairly gritty compound for heavier oxidation than what you have described, finesse it is a much better normal wear and tear polish.

If you want sea shield makes a product called buffing lube which helps make the working time of the product longer and it does work really well.
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