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Old 09-04-2012, 12:32 PM
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Default Mono Hull vs. Catamaran Hull power boat??

After reading all the different threads on THT about the Freeman builds, the Calcutta builds, it has got me wondering if a catamaran might be for me. It would not be a Freeman ($$$$$) not In my cards.

I have only been on one once in the bay around Clearwater. It was a World Cat, 25' to 26' sport cabin model. So no rough conditions or any offshore experience. I have never driven one.
I have had mono hull boats all of my life. Walk arounds, center consoles and a express cabin cruiser. So that experience Is plentiful for monohulls, what I don't know anything about is catamaran power boats.

What I am looking for, Is what are the pro's and con's of the cat boats? I have been looking at the World Cat 270 EC model. I have not been on one yet, hope to some time this week.

So let me here what people like and dislike about the cat hulls.

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I have had 7 v bottom boats from gofast to express cruiser now I have a 255dc from worldcat . I only have around 30 hour's on her but all I can say is that she handle's great , get's great fuel mileage and the wife and 4 year old don't get beat up . The model that I have is a great day boat for offshore or going to sandbar's with it's shallow draft . the wife has been spoiled with the express cruiser so my next boat upgrade will be another worldcat but in the 29 or 32 range with a cabin for the wife and kid .
I have suk 175's on my boat and they run great so far and like I said before are very fuel efficient with a minimum of 2 to 2.5 mpg @ cruise between 27 to 32 mph
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What do you do with the boat?
What is your application?
Offshore, if so , how far and in what conditions?
Trolling?
Puttsing around?
Cruising?
Islands, beaches?
what do you want to use it for....???
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It's been a while since I fished on a cat and the ones I did go on were older, non-planing hulls so I can't say too much about the hulls out there these days. But I can tell you this. Do a lot more than just take a ride on one before you buy one. I'd recommend taking a fishing charter on one. Like I said, been a while for me, but I absolutely HATED all 3 of the ones I fished on. I need to go out on one of the newer ones but if they're anything like the 90's models, I don't want anything to do with them.

If you're looking to charter one on an offshore trip, you may try Venice, LA. Several of the guides down there run cats, some of them Freemans but I wouldn't go in a Freeman if you're not planning to even consider them due to $$.

I did the same thing before I bought my flats boat 12 years ago. Was a great experience and knew exactly what I was getting before I bought the boat - still have it 12 yrs later too!
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I couldnt agree with you more.... a lot of the older cats pretty much left quite a bit to be desired. You couldnt argue that they were pretty smooth, but the speed and looks flat out sucked. However, I think if you were to ever get on a Freeman, you would have a new outlook on properly designed cats.

Our boats cost quite a bit to build due to the materials, methods and design of the boat. Cats in general are difficult to build and our boat with the round tunnel are even more difficult. One aspect that 90% of the folks that inquire just dont understand is how big a 33' is. A 33' monohull is around 500sqft of surface area, whereas our 33 has over 700 sqft of surface area on the hull. That equates to around a 36-37' monohull. Then, to boot the Freeman rides like a 40+ monohull in many conditions.
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Have had my share of mono hulls. My Twin Vee has it's share of shortcomings.... but is one of the best riding boats I have ever been on (26' range)
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It's going to be different for every manufacturer. I have a 23' World Cat, so here goes...
Pros:
-handles a head sea very well
-typically doesn't slam hard when coming off a wave (there are times when it will)
-I like the extra space at the bow
-have always felt "safe" in this boat
-you can pile a bunch of people/wieght on one side and the boat doesn't lean much
-the boat is quite stable
-handles the tight Gulf of Mexico chop very well
-very easy to work on the motors due to access to both sides
-don't have to lean down past your feet to get into fish box (mine is accross transom)
-very dry ride
-I have had multiple people comment on how well the boat rides for a 23' boat

Cons:
-when drift fishing, it can roll fairly hard when beam to (I have had friends get sea sick easily on my boat in 3' seas)
-Head sea 3' and over and the tunnel will "slap" on the wave when trolling
-Steering takes a little while for some people to get used to (it doesn't roll into the turn, just runs flat...I trim the motors when going into turns to offset it)
-bleeding the steering can be a PITA until you figure it out due to the liquid tie bar (if you end up with one)
-limited access to the bilge areas (8" port - I want something I can sit in!)
-shallow anchor locker
-Cabin models have less cabin space then monohulls
-trailers are more expensive than mono hull trailers
-cat sits high on the trailer
-doesn't handle weight as well as a mono hull

Overall I am crazy about this boat. The only time I don't like it is when it is smooth water and I'm getting passed (40 ish MPH at WOT). The boat really shines when it's a tight chop up to ~4'. At around 4' I have to slow down and trim the bow down or else it will launch.

If I was in market for a CC, I would seriously consider the Prowler 246, World Cat 27 and up, Ameracat (newer style) and Freeman.

If you don't mind going slower, Glacier Bay is a very solid boat 26 and up.

Finally, if $ was no object I would be all over a Pro Boat 46 (schwing!)
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Old 09-04-2012, 07:04 PM
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I have all sorts of boats. I never liked the way cats look. I went out on a World Cat and it is the best boat I have ever owned. Take a test drive and you will see why everybody who ownes a Cat never goes back to a mono hull. Like Billy says they are all not the same. You MUST take several test drives and you will see the difference between the CATS.
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I couldnt agree with you more.... a lot of the older cats pretty much left quite a bit to be desired. You couldnt argue that they were pretty smooth, but the speed and looks flat out sucked. However, I think if you were to ever get on a Freeman, you would have a new outlook on properly designed cats.

Our boats cost quite a bit to build due to the materials, methods and design of the boat. Cats in general are difficult to build and our boat with the round tunnel are even more difficult. One aspect that 90% of the folks that inquire just dont understand is how big a 33' is. A 33' monohull is around 500sqft of surface area, whereas our 33 has over 700 sqft of surface area on the hull. That equates to around a 36-37' monohull. Then, to boot the Freeman rides like a 40+ monohull in many conditions.
No, everything I hear about the Freemans seems to be positive. Only suggested that it'd be a waste of time and money to go on a charter in a Freeman if he's not going to even consider them due to cost.

Try to narrow down the brand / hull and then go fish out of one for a day. There is not a better way to "test ride" a boat. Merely getting in one and riding around for 30 minutes or so won't tell you a lot of things you really want to know before dropping a load of cash on a new boat... especially one that's such a drastic change from what he's used to.
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boats have a lot of compromises but the #1 issue is to be a safe vessel to get you out and back. Let me give you a homework assignment. Take a good look at the CAT hulls from Australia and New Zealand, now look at the vast majority of the cat crap that is being sold to the US market.

There is one major reason why the vast majority of US CAT designs are frankly unsafe, IMO. Simply when a wave breaks over the bow there is not enough displacement in the bow hulls to offset the water in the boat (open bow). The bow goes down. Next the 2nd and 3rd waves continue to push the bow further down. Once the bow is sufficiently down such that the water cannot run to the scuppers in the back of the boat then you have a emergency situation. Not all are of this design but many are.

US CATs are designed my the marketing departments, Aussie cats are designed to shed the water breaking over the bow over the sides of the boat so that the 2nd and 3 waves are no different than the first.

I agree, the pounding is less than a monohull, Cats have more room. However the design and quality of most of the boats are just not of the same quality at American monohull designs.

I know that I am over generalizing but I don't type so well and I try to keep it short.
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I've been on many boats in the 26 to 30 foot range, 7 years ago I bought a GB2680 for the ride but a few years later I thought a big center console was going to be the next step, so I purchased a 31 Rybo.

Now 3 years later I'm back in a GB2680 and can tell you once you go cat you will never go back

And for the record I've punched through a 15+ foot wave out of hatteras inlet and had the windshield covered in nothing but green water and keep on chucking.

There not all the same look at all of them
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.... but the speed and looks flat out sucked.....
Yes always very important considerations ... speed ... and ... looks
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Old 09-05-2012, 02:53 AM
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so what boats are you saying would take water over the bow like described, WC, GB, Calcutta, etc?


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boats have a lot of compromises but the #1 issue is to be a safe vessel to get you out and back. Let me give you a homework assignment. Take a good look at the CAT hulls from Australia and New Zealand, now look at the vast majority of the cat crap that is being sold to the US market.

There is one major reason why the vast majority of US CAT designs are frankly unsafe, IMO. Simply when a wave breaks over the bow there is not enough displacement in the bow hulls to offset the water in the boat (open bow). The bow goes down. Next the 2nd and 3rd waves continue to push the bow further down. Once the bow is sufficiently down such that the water cannot run to the scuppers in the back of the boat then you have a emergency situation. Not all are of this design but many are.

US CATs are designed my the marketing departments, Aussie cats are designed to shed the water breaking over the bow over the sides of the boat so that the 2nd and 3 waves are no different than the first.

I agree, the pounding is less than a monohull, Cats have more room. However the design and quality of most of the boats are just not of the same quality at American monohull designs.

I know that I am over generalizing but I don't type so well and I try to keep it short.
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I've owned 2 Mono's and most recently, a 2009 27' World Cat. I can't begin to tell you how impressed I was with this boat. Speed, efficiency, storage space and most importantly, the ride. For a 27' boat, it was amazing.

And just for the record, I had this boat in some serious seas in the time I owned it and never once did I stuff the bow. I cannot even imagine what kind of seas would be required to do that. I can tell you that if the seas were big enough for the bow of the 27' WC to go under, you would not be out in them. So, I think those comments are BS.

I think if you are looking at the quality builders and later model Cats, you'd be very impressed. I'm not saying I'd never buy a Mono again, but it would be a tough sell...
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I have a cat and i pick my nice days. Who wants to go out on crappy days? Your boat needs to be able to handle the normal rough stuff. The super rough stuff is best to just come home. It is not enjoyable for fishing anyways even if you get out there. There will be plenty of days to go out.
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I have a 27' worldcat. Had monohulls for about 40 years before this one. It has pluses and minuses.. but overall I am very happy with it. The pluses have been discussed but the biggest one is minimal pounding. Once in a while if the wave hits just wrong it will pound, but on most it doesn't happen. My back feels a lot better than it did with my last boat and of all of my boats I feel the most secure in this one.
The biggest drawbacks: drifting in a beam sea has a different motion - worse - than my monohulls... but I tend to go out in much worse weather now than when I had my previous boats so it is hard to compare... and the head is way too small.. they have it on the center line above the tunnel. Can't stand up in there. not really usable other than for storage.
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What do you do with the boat?
What is your application?
Offshore, if so , how far and in what conditions?
Trolling?
Puttsing around?
Cruising?
Islands, beaches?
what do you want to use it for....???
We cruise around central west coast of Florida. We cruise by water down to the Keys and the Fort Myers area.
Application?? Recreational boater
Offshore, we go up to 30 miles out of John's Pass in our 24' center console, would like to go to the middle grounds, weather permitting
Trolling? Yes we troll in the Keys and Pompano area, as well as for King fish on the west coast
Puttsing around? probably half of what we do
Cruising? Want to do more

In general, we want a trailerable boat that we can sleep on at anchor, requires gen and a/c, we fish, dive, cruise, go to islands and like to stay the weekend, we like to go to the Bahamas and the Keys, and want to stay on the boat.

We are probably looking for the preverbial "perfect boat" which I realize does not exist.
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Thanks for all the replies.

We did manage to get on a World Cat 270 EC last night. It is for sale in our area and sitting on a trailer. This boat has gen and a/c.

I will say it is huge sitting on the trailer, but when we got on, the deck space was smaller than I was expecting.

Someone commented on the amount of storage, topside, other than the boxes across the transom, I thought it had little or no storage. The gen was under the co pilots seat, the a/c was in the side storage next to the co pilots seat. So that storage is used, but we want those amentities, so I will take that trade. In the cabin, under the bed starboard side, it did have a big storage area, but access to it is limited, a place to put things needed but not needed alot. This model had a large box with the fridge, a couple of drawers. This actually covered up more starboard hull storage and made the bed go crossways and cover the head. If this was gone, the bed would go fore and aft.
The only place to stand below was in front of the toilet.

As to the Freeman's, I would give my right *** to own one of those, but we want a cabin, and it is out of my price range. I saw a 33 at Egmont last year about the time he was running the big one he built down to the boat show. The lines are extremely beautiful, only can only dream about those.

I worry about the comments regarding the seas over three feet and the hull slap, this past couple of years, evry king fish tourney we enter, the wind blows and the seas build.
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Here is mine an AmeraCat 31 XP. The cabin is small maybe for most but could be increased. However I don't spend time in the cabin I just wanted the protection from inclement weather, whether it be cold or raining.
The boats are custom so you could probably have whatever amenities you want to add.
It's not complete yet, it will be getting a canvas top extension all the way back to the front of the fish boxes.
Lots of room on deck and definitely no worries of green water over the bow. That would be even tough to do on the 31 CC.
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Ameracat 31? Any direct on front pics?
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