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Old 03-02-2005, 10:18 PM
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I have a choice between a Honda 15 hp High thrust with a 10 x 7 5/8's prop or a Yamaha 9.9 High thrust with a 11 3/4 x 9 1/4 prop. I am guessing my weight weight will be 7,000 loaded. Both motors have electric start. I have a deposit on the Honda but more than one person told me the smaller Yamaha would be a better choice due to the bigger prop size. I also noticed the Yamaha has a lower gear ratio. I think it was 2:92 compared to the Honda's 2:08. I plan on using the kicker for trolling and to help get me back if my main motor fails. I am limited to a motor using a 25 inch shaft.
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I have a 9.9 and would get the Yam H/T 15 hp if the weight does not make any difference--- another avenue is the Honda 20 hp-- this engine is awesome and has all the bells and whisltes-( 3200)- ie power tilt thrust over prop & tiller( I like because of back up) only weights 120 lbs with elec and 20" I use a TR 1 on my kicker -- TR 1 will not work with 25 Yam/Honda because of steering set up
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Snow,

I set up many Sea Sports like yours with kickers. If you are looking at the 2005 Yamaha 9.9 I would not got that way. This engine is a de-tuned 15hp Yamaha now in 2005 model year. The traditional T9.9 is being deleted and the T-8 is a replacement for the 9.9. There is virtually no*difference in kicker performance between those two engines.*

A T8 is plenty of a*kicker motor for a 24 Sea Sport and is still relatively light. The engine weight is not that much of a factor while using the boat but when trailering you want something lighter on that kicker bracket. I have seen the BoonDocks and Island Marine centers brackets get bent slighlty just from trailering. If you have ever seen those kicker brackets, there are not to many out there that are built any better then those two.

I dont think there is enough gains or positives*between a *T8*versus a*2005 T9.9*or 2005*F15 as a kicker motor to offset the dis-advantges(cost and weight)* imho...

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Sims just read your post re Kicker-- going to check out T8 and try to find brackets mentioned -- I have always use Garlick Offshore-- also looked at panther power tilt--- some of these kicker are so far back they are hard to raise by hand
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Eyehooker,

Both of the brackets I mentioned are going to more expensive then the Panther or the Garelick, but are better engineered and built. The BoonDocks version I personally like because the kicker actually goes up and down keeping the engine at a more straight vertical position. The other brands tend to make the engine angle swing out more as its raised. Its kind of hard to describe.

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Here are a couple of pix of my T8 installation. I fabricated a rigid bracket from aluminum stock and bolted it to the transom. Remote controls are mounted in the cockpit, allowing me to start, steer, and raise/lower the T8 (power trim) without leaning over transom.

Trimmed down.............................................. .................................................. ....Trimmed up

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Boneman; what type steering are you using?? Looks like good setup--- I like parker open back for fishing on Lake Erie is your a 23 DV?
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Eyehooker,

I'm using the EZY-Glide "stick" steering unit pictured below. It's mounted to the starboard gunwale along with the engine controls (sorry, I don't have a pic on hand showing this). Consumes virtually no cockpit space.

As an alternative, using the T8 with a fixed bracket would allow you to simply tie-bar the T8 to your main - you'd never need to disconnect the tie-bar because the distance between the two engines never changes (only the tilt changes when raising engines out of the water).

Here's the EZY-Glide. The stick moves forward/aft (not prt/starboard) in a vertical arc.


Edit: yes, that's the Parker 23 DV (21* deadrise)


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I am curious. How fast could the 8 push my boat? Yamaha's web site shows the T9.9 is new or I may be mistaken. I just hate to buy a new motor and then wished I had a bigger one. I do not want to limp home at 3-4 mph if my main motor fails.
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I just delivered a 2520XL with a T99 on it, I was surprised by the performance it offered on the boat. As for steering, we just made the kicker so it wouldn't move and used the primary motor as a rudder, and it worked fine. The T99 is a very nice motor to have, but most places that don't have them in stock were telling me they can't get them until June. Ed's had some, and they were priced right.
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Snowwolfe - 3/3/2005 12:08 PM Sim, I am curious. How fast could the 8 push my boat? Yamaha's web site shows the T9.9 is new or I may be mistaken. I just hate to buy a new motor and then wished I had a bigger one. I do not want to limp home at 3-4 mph if my main motor fails.
Depends if you are going into the wind or going with it. 7-10 mph WOT. If you try to maintain slow speeds(trolling)going with the wind its OK. Going into a beam sea is OK....going against a strong head wind and 2-3ft sea's.......you would need a much bigger engine to do that and be able to have good control.*The WOT speeds seem to be similar to trawler speeds.

With a planning hull you are only going to be able to push your hull so fast with a small engine. Anything under*75HP probably will not get the boat up on plane anyways. The point being whats the difference between an 8hp engine and a 15hp engine at WOT....1 mph maybe??

When you get into bigger and heavier kickers it complicates the kicker bracket configuration...especially if its a manual type bracket. BTW....what bracket are you considering using?

If you are not going to do much trailering, then the*15's may be OK for you.*

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I am doing research to replace the kicker on my boat 7.5 1986 evinrude. Where do I find information about the Boondocks bracket previously mentioned?
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There website is www.boondocksboats.com* but I do not see a link to any pictures of it. Try giving them a call.

This is a link the Islands Marine Centers bracket fyi........ http://yachtworld.com/leaving_yw.cgi...mceasylift.com* You can see from the picture what I mean about the engine being on a angle. The BoonDocks bracket keeps the engine at a straighter vertical angle.

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Snowolfe, I have a 26 Conquest Whaler. I live near Boondocks and looked at the 8hp but opted for the 2004 9.9 Canadian model w/high thrust and trim and tilt. ( I believe it can only be purchased in Canada). The 04 9.9 motor has the 15hp block along with the high thrust gearing and prop really pushes this boat! The lift that Boondocks sells is made by Pooderbuilt Mfg. here in Wa. I have the dealers info in Canada and Pooderbuilts number if you want them!
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Doesn't*Pooder work right at Boondocks? I remember going in there for something and he was in the back shop........he also makes SS arch's ect for them. Or he used too.....

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coupens - 3/3/2005 1:36 PM Snowolfe, I have a 26 Conquest Whaler. I live near Boondocks and looked at the 8hp but opted for the 2004 9.9 Canadian model w/high thrust and trim and tilt. ( I believe it can only be purchased in Canada). The 04 9.9 motor has the 15hp block along with the high thrust gearing and prop really pushes this boat!
Coupens,

Yamaha USA and Yamaha Canada operate like they are two different companies. You will have a heck of a time getting any US Yamaha dealer to do warranty work on your Yamaha Canadian engine should you need it. This may not be that big of a deal since you are so close to Canada.

The only reason I know for sure is I am going through this right now with a customers pair of F115's that need some warranty attention. They were bought and rigged at a Canadian boat manufacturer. Even though his registered warranty address is in the US.....

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Yes I would like Pooderbuilt Mfg. number. Also, If anyone has a pitcure of this brakets, please share.
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never mind found there web page.
http://pooderbuilt.com

How much will this lift set me back?
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Sim, Pooder lives, and his shop is in Ferndale, soon moving to Bellingham, but yes he does alot of stainless work for Boondocks, and sells them his hydraulic lift.
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Heres a pic of Podders lift. Nice stuff!

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