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Old 02-28-2005, 01:44 PM
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Just thought I'd do a quick update. I mentioned a few weeks ago that I was installing a Garmin GR40 as a back-up radar to my Furuno. While I haven't had the time to give it a full run thru, I did finish up the install and have a few general observations....

A quick background....

I originally had a Garmin 2010C with the fish finder module. When the 3010C came out, I wanted to upgrade the system so I could add some video feed on the bridge from the engine room and wanted the network capability so I could add a 3006C to the lower helm.

Well, like most projects, this one grew and I ended up adding the Weather/XM module as well as the GR40 Radar dome. Did I need it... well, no... but I already have back-ups for every other system, and since I already had the rest of the hardware, I figured why not.....

In short, the addition allowed me a combo fish-finder, chart plotter as well as real time weather info and radar information. The network capability allowed me to bring all this info into the lower helm (in the cockpit), which should be very useful this coming season.

As far as the Radar comparison goes... off hand I see two major differences between the two units. The Furuno I have is an analog system. At close in settings, the objects are as they appear. The Garmin is a digital unit and close in objects are displayed in super-pixel blocks. It takes a little getting used to, but it's similar to the fish-finder display... blocky vs the main Furuno fish-finder unit.

I do like the idea of being able to configure the menu and display multiple pieces of information. This Garmin display is also mounted on the bridge lower counsel, while the Furuno units (Radar, side scan sonar and fish-finder) are mounted on the overhead counsel.

I need to spend some time with the Garmin unit, used both systems in the harbor Saturday night and the Garmin unit seemed to pick out targets and display them larger than the Furuno unit (again, the super pixel rounding up vs analog). This works well for pinpointing buoys, which always seemed to display as thin lines on the Furuno.

However, as I ran under a bridge the Garmin (which was in Auto mode) seemed to go into over saturation mode, requiring me to do a manual readjust after I cleared the bridge to bring down the gain. The Furuno was not affected.

Still, too early to make any real comments... just general observations.

I will note that I do like having real time weather on board. I have a Furuno weatherfax in the salon, but having the info overlaid on the chart plotter is a huge benefit. We had a number of storms last week and I was able to watch the storm cells as they drifted over my slip and could predict light vs heavy rain, as well as breaks. The swell info and water temp breaks should be helpful as well during our upcoming Tuna season.

Here are a few pics of the two units and similar settings while in the slip. The first couple pics are showing the dome on top, with the Furuno. The Garmin pizza dome is large, but not too large for this installation. Both units run without interference.


http://momentoffame.com/photopost/da...G_1169-med.JPG

http://momentoffame.com/photopost/da...G_1170-med.JPG

http://momentoffame.com/photopost/da...G_1189-med.JPG

http://momentoffame.com/photopost/da...G_1187-med.JPG
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Old 02-28-2005, 06:44 PM
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Thanks, looking forward to the next update.

PS. the last link to a pic is not working??
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Looks real good on a nice sportfisher.....my GMR 40 will have me looking a little more like an AWACS plane our on patrol in my Hydra-Sport 24' Vector!

Please keep the posts coming, especially the auto feature. I also popped for the weather black box and sounder w/ a 3010C.

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Great info. Thanks for keeping us up to date.
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Please post a picture of Garmin Display while radar is transmitting. I would love to see it compared to the Furuno CRT. The last picture may be the one, but it is not opening.
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Picture 3 is of the screen while it's running ...
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Sorry for the broken links......

I added a few more pictures of the installation.

Basically, I have dedicated units already for the Radar, and Fish Finders (all Furuno, which includes a Side Scan unit). The Side Scan operates at different frequency than the Furuno and Garmin fishfinder and the two transducers for the Furuno and the Garmin are on opposite sides of the hull, seperated by the keel. I only see minimal noise when I run them on similar frequencies and typically, set one to 200K and the other for 50K in normal operation.

As mentioned, I went with the 3010C unit for the network bus, which has now given me radar, fishfind, chartplotting, weather and XM controls in at the lower helm station.

http://momentoffame.com/photopost/da...7IMG_1142a.jpg
Going back to the radar units, I had a few questions regarding my comments on superpixels or 'pixel blocks'.

Basically what I mean is this....

Take a look at the analog image of the Furuno. You'll see at the 8:00 position a thin protruding line of pixels from the shore on the opposite side of the channel.

http://momentoffame.com/photopost/da...87IMG_1189.JPG

Actually, that is a small channel marker bouy.

On the Garmin unit, this same bouy shows up as a block of pixels that are sitting away from the shore (as the bouy actually sits).
http://momentoffame.com/photopost/da...7IMG_1187a.jpg

In general, the Furuno will represent the details more to scale at the lower settings, but I think the Garmin highlights the obsticals better as they appear larger and more noticable. The thin lines for the bouy's do get lost in the Furuno cross hairs if I'm running a straight course for the buoys at night.

Bear in mind... I have not optimized either setting... I was just playing with both units to make sure things were lined up and operating correctly. It'll take some real use on the open water before I can really comment on them.

On a side note, here's the finished set-up at the helm.
http://momentoffame.com/photopost/da...7IMG_1184a.jpg
http://momentoffame.com/photopost/da...87IMG_1191.JPG
http://momentoffame.com/photopost/da...7IMG_1180a.jpg

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anyone got any more updates?? I need to purchase next week, either C80 or Garmin 3010C whole package
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I went out today with a customer who just installed the a 3010C with the 4kw dome to fine turn it. One of the first things we noticed was how well the the radar picked up the smaller rain cells among the larger cells. His Furuno ( now the back up ) showed the rain as one lump cell and not nearly as well defined. On the 1/4 mi selection showed all the markers and other boats with good detail. Overall the unit is very precise and does a great job. Best of luck and tight lines....
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How much will the complete 3010c setup with weather, 4kw dome, heading, sounder, cost?
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Maxzilla if you want you can send me a Pm or an Email and I'll gladly quote the system for you ....
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My suggestion is to go with the C-80. I used to sell marine electronics, I have my reasons for saying this, believe me. Theres a reason why raymarine is such a good name and so expensive.
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One of the problems with the Garmin radars are no timing adjustment. If you know about tuning and service, timing is needed.
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